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Old 01-05-2013, 09:10 PM   #136
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The 2 workers did not get the shingles on. Nor did they get the flashing or ridge caps finished on the porch roof today (which they started yesterday).

But they did manage to get in a 15 minute break every hour, plus the normal hour for lunch.
That's just a prime example of "When the cats away,,,the mice will play" That's why if I am not on site (Which is rare on steep) I will give a time limit on whatever part of the project being worked.If you let these monkeys out of your sight and given time to "Think" for themselves nothing is done and what is done has made you no money,the project is barely further along and you have some labor hours racked up.

So,,are they coming back tomorrow ? Or does the roof sit under felt the rest of the weekend ?

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Old 01-05-2013, 09:20 PM   #137
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He doesn't work Sundays. Which I didn't find out until he didn't show up the first Sunday.

He put plastic tarps over the two exposed roofs at least. Didn't put anything over the other roofs that have no flashing. And we've had no gutters on the house since December 19th.

I still haven't responded to him about the vents, because I'm still not sure what to do. I'm scared of how he's gonna patch the dormer vents that h he already cut. It would be worse to have those vented than to have them somewhat poorly patched, right? I mean, open is really bad for lower dormer ridges, right?
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I don't know if its been asked or answered but did you hire a legitimate company?

This seems like way to straight forward of a job for all these problems to be occurring.
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He doesn't work Sundays. Which I didn't find out until he didn't show up the first Sunday.

He put plastic tarps over the two exposed roofs at least. Didn't put anything over the other roofs that have no flashing. And we've had no gutters on the house since December 19th.

I still haven't responded to him about the vents, because I'm still not sure what to do. I'm scared of how he's gonna patch the dormer vents that h he already cut. It would be worse to have those vented than to have them somewhat poorly patched, right? I mean, open is really bad for lower dormer ridges, right?
A roofer that doesn't roof on Sunday but leaves a roof partially finished till Monday ? How big of a crew does he have ?
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I don't know if its been asked or answered but did you hire a legitimate company?

This seems like way to straight forward of a job for all these problems to be occurring.
His license number is valid (and I saw his card, not just the number), and he didn't have any complaints with the town or BBB or anything else I could find. And he's got a good reputation in my area, primarily known for his historic restoration work.

I'm stymied by all of this, too. The best thing I could come up with is that maybe I was an add-on job. And maybe he's using workers he doesn't really know, and trying to cover for them (and by extension himself) when he acts like my questions aren't valid. Which is no excuse! If he wasn't available, he shouldn't have taken the job!

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A roofer that doesn't roof on Sunday but leaves a roof partially finished till Monday ? How big of a crew does he have ?
The largest "crew" has been 3 people plus himself. But most often it's just 2 people, and he drops in and out throughout the day. He doesn't do any work, though. Just climbs around pointing stuff out to them. I know very little Spanish (and it's his third language). But I know tone, and he's exasperated with them sometimes.

When I complained that more work wasn't being done, he said "what do you expect them to do, they are just two people?" When I, incredulous, said that he should hire more people, he shrugged and huffed like that was a completely foolish thing to say.
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His license number is valid (and I saw his card, not just the number), and he didn't have any complaints with the town or BBB or anything else I could find. And he's got a good reputation in my area, primarily known for his historic restoration work.

I'm stymied by all of this, too. The best thing I could come up with is that maybe I was an add-on job. And maybe he's using workers he doesn't really know, and trying to cover for them (and by extension himself) when he acts like my questions aren't valid. Which is no excuse! If he wasn't available, he shouldn't have taken the job!



The largest "crew" has been 3 people plus himself. But most often it's just 2 people, and he drops in and out throughout the day. He doesn't do any work, though. Just climbs around pointing stuff out to them. I know very little Spanish (and it's his third language). But I know tone, and he's exasperated with them sometimes.

When I complained that more work wasn't being done, he said "what do you expect them to do, they are just two people?" When I, incredulous, said that he should hire more people, he shrugged and huffed like that was a completely foolish thing to say.

Sorry but that is not a 2 or 3 person job.You need 2 or 3 people on the ground playing clean up/gopher and just being there to assist the nailers.

That is at the minimum a 6+ person job.I have a picture of a roof we did this summer past.Its 51 square steep (Not as steep as yours but more work involved) It was a single layer shake.The first day majority of the roof was torn off,decked,dried in and cleaned up.The next day the shingles arrived and the roof started going back and the rest was torn off,decked,new skylighys,cleaned up and roofed.The job was done in 2 days.The 3rd day was for new gutters and aprons and counter flashing.And if I remember right it was me and 6 guys.

Your job and his inability to provide a big enough crew to get the job done in a acceptable time frame has costed him dearly.Its foolish to have that few of people on a job like that.Not saying it cannot be done but if for that to happen they would have to be a well oiled machine.The roofing gods would have to have all the planets in alignment.

Some projects are a PITA but its up to the contractor to have enough manpower that the job sucks equally for all involved.Putting only a couple guys on a house like yours just burns them out.That's how things get damaged and accidents happen.

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Hmmm,,,,All quite in Jersey ? Maybe they came back to nail those bay windows and severed her internet connection ?
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Seeing nail holes is bad. Seeing sunlight is very bad.
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Yeah, I took a bit of a break from the roof yesterday to work on some of the other house projects. Namely, some paint stripping in the master bedroom, and repainting our register covers. (And advising my man on how to make recovery media for his new laptop.) Today I'm making more burlap roller shades for our gorgeous wavy glass windows. A woman's work is never done.

And today we're back to the roof. The building inspector is out of the office today, but someone else in his office confirmed for me that we only have to have the top-most ridges vented, not the dormers. So, now I get to draft a lengthy email to the roofer to tell him what to do, and what not to do.

I'm still not sure how to direct him to close the vents he already cut. Won't he need to re-sheath, re-paper, and re-shingle them? How will he do that? It's just a 2 or 3 inch slit.

Any suggestions?

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Old 01-07-2013, 08:42 PM   #145
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I don't feel its necessary to remove the entire sheet of plywood.But the strips should be replaced and done so with "H" clips.Its not as ideal as NOT cutting into the ridge line to begin with but will be o.k.

As far as the shingles it might be a good idea to replace those depending how far back they are cut.Installation without ridge vent calls to install shingles and felt to the upper most part of the ridge line,,,not 2"-3" short of the ridge line.

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I wish my contractor was as active as this thread!

Another day in a long line of sucky days. I really can't wait until this job is over. I never want to see this man again in my life as long as I live. I don't even want to see his stupid ubiquitous yard signs.

He is now insisting that the reason they're not done is that they've only been working 6 or 7 days. But I know there have actually been 12 work days that weren't either a Sunday or a holiday, and we didn't have inclement weather.

So that's when I whipped out my job log, and counted off the days to him. Because I log everything. Because dealing with liars is one time when my obsessive perfectionism becomes a wonderful asset!

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This is an actual sentence that he just wrote in an email to me: "Also please confirm that we are painting the fascia boards with white exterior paint gloss or soft gloss finish Sherwin Williams or benj Moore"

Now, this is the very first time he's mentioned paint to me since we started the job. So the "please confirm" is disingenuous. And, um, what the heck is that sentence supposed to mean? When I asked him what he meant, he wrote "Just tell me which brand you want to use Sherwin Williams or Benj Moore and l will get white exterior paint in the finish yhat you want from them"

Turns out, he wants ME to choose what paint he uses. We had told him to match what was already there. I don't know anything about exterior paint! He thinks that I should be the one to decide the brand and finish?! WTH?!

I told him that if he wants me to choose, then I'll need 2 to 3 days to research exterior paint. Or, he can do what he should be doing, and offer me an explanation of the best options, with his opinions on their strengths and weaknesses, and I can choose almost immediately.

I really cannot believe this guy!
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Now he is asking me to approve gutters and downspouts. On the spot, mind you. (How does he know I'm even gonna be home to do this crap?!)

He had originally said he was going to use our existing downspouts, but now for some reason he isn't. I asked for the brand and style he wants me to approve, so I could look them up. He responds that he'll give me a sample. I tell him that's great, but I still need the brand and style. He emails back the brand info and the material specs (aluminum, thickness, etc) and leaves me a gutter sample. I ask for the downspout sample. He writes back that I should Google the brand.

And it's good that we're not talking in person right then, because that's when my palm would have wanted to make friends with his cheek.

I tell him that their website is full of information on wholesale sheet metal manufacturing, and I can't possibly be expected to find the downspout he's talking about when I don't even know what I'm looking for. He writes back "But l gave you the sample of the gutter".

Am I in an Abbott and Costello sketch?
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Hren, you're on the verge of turning into the bad guy here. You've been complaining about every choice he has made without consulting you, and now you complain when he asks for you to pre-approve his choices. You two need to work together to get this completed because you are driving each other nuts. This thread is starting to sound like an ugly divorce.

Coincidentally, a roofing crew was doing an outbuilding of my neighbor's across the street yesterday. Technically it's a garage but it's the size of a small house. A 4-man crew shows up, strips the old shingles, puts on new shingles, all done and cleaned up within 6 hours. Admittedly, it was a much simpler job than yours, but that's how I typically see roofers work in my area.

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