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Old 01-21-2010, 09:46 AM   #16
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I only know of one supplier around here that quit selling GAF and now has IKO along with Certainteed.
Even though we are a very small company we have multiple suppliers to get shingles from, and can get darn near anything available.

IMO, the IKo isn't up to par with many other shingles, but that could be debated. I don't think your roofer's intention is to give you lesser quality, he is just making a few more bucks on the materials because they are cheaper. That's his business, but I see no reason to outright lie and say other shingles are not available........

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Old 01-21-2010, 09:56 AM   #17
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get your original contract honored if he cant find someone who will/ its your dollar and if youre showing a lot of roof the deeper texture will look better. i dont like bait and switch
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Old 01-21-2010, 01:54 PM   #18
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Please run away from this roofer. He can get any shingle he wants to but since IKO are so much cheaper, there is a reason he is going with them. They are the bottom of the barrel shingle, at least where I come from. Most legitimate roofers will agree with that.

Sounds like it is the start of what is going to be a hard process for you if you continue to let the guy do this roof. Hopefully the contract you signed had the shingle brand specified and then you must make him honor that or find someone else.

Seems like a fishy guy to do business with.
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It's hard to say what the response will be from IKO in regards to their sale because it's only available to contractors with multiple purchases.

In today's economy "I canceled my account" could be code for my account was frozen due to lack of payments.
It's happened to dozens of contractors over the past few years here in my area and that's not including the ones that filed bankruptcy.

Bottom Line, it doe's not matter if IKO is as good as Timberline or not,
all that matters is you get what you want.

Make sure everything is in "detailed" writing and no monies change hand until your are 100% sure he can provide you with what you want and do not make payment in full until the work is completed and you have a chance to inspect the work.
Also make sure you get this guys real information, not just a company name but Full name, references, proof of insurance, etc.

BBB, HBA, State Attorney's office are a few options for checking contractors out for free.
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imf. Go to the supply house and get the prices for the Timberline and the IKO on the date you signed the contract if you believe that he is trying to steer you to a lower price shingle. Have the contract modified by the difference in the price of both shingles, If he will not put on what you contracted for just void the contract since he will not meet his contractual obligation. I am a roofer in Georgia and we always honor the price after the contract is signed or verbaly given. If prices increase before the contract is signed then that is another issue. We use Owens Corning, GAF, Certainteed and Atlas. I have never had a shingle quality issue that OC has never taken care of right away, GAF in my experience always finds a way out. I have not sold Atlas long enough to experience any problems but my roofers like them and say they run better than the others. Also so far we have not had any color issue with shading with the Atlas. Everybody has their preference but all shingles have certain specifications to meet before they are certified and all shingles have quality issues at times. How the manafacturer handles the issues is what counts.

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Old 01-23-2010, 12:03 AM   #21
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hey lmf..i just joined this site today...and your problem happens alot...i own a roofing company in columbus ohio...we dont really use iko shingles here...we use gaf (timberline), owens corning, certanteed, and tamko...not to say its not a good shingle though...

they are all equally great shingles...i have analyzed them all...and they are all good...

i only do insurance work here in ohio...the main reason is because i make a lot more money on insurance jobs...im not sure how big your roof is...

but it is pretty standard here to cover the homeowners deductible upto $500...even upto $1000 if it is a big roof...free upgrade to dimensional if they currently have three tab...and upgrade to ridge vent...and upgrade to closed cut valleys...(california cut valleys) this doesnt really cost me that much extra....

with all that said..it wasnt a big deal for your roofer to upgrade you to ridge vent...to be honest...it really does sound like he just wants to make a little extra money...

i negotiated a good deal with my supply company...and i get the same price not matter what brand of dimensional shingle i buy...and im not a very big company either...

even though you singed a contract...im sure you could get out of it...

have you given the roofer any money yet???

DO NOT SETTLE FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU....

LET ME REPEAT THIS...

DO NOT SETTLE FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU...

even though insurance is paying for this roof...it is your money...you can use whoever you want...

i feel your pain...getting a roof should be fun and happy...especially since insurance is paying for it...

if you want to talk at all...i would be more then happy to advise you...and help you get what you want...just message me back and i will give you my number...i could probably save you some time and money...

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hey lmf..i just joined this site today...and your problem happens alot...i own a roofing company in columbus ohio...we dont really use iko shingles here...we use gaf (timberline), owens corning, certanteed, and tamko...not to say its not a good shingle though...

they are all equally great shingles...i have analyzed them all...and they are all good...

i only do insurance work here in ohio...the main reason is because i make a lot more money on insurance jobs...im not sure how big your roof is...

but it is pretty standard here to cover the homeowners deductible upto $500...even upto $1000 if it is a big roof...free upgrade to dimensional if they currently have three tab...and upgrade to ridge vent...and upgrade to closed cut valleys...(california cut valleys) this doesnt really cost me that much extra....

with all that said..it wasnt a big deal for your roofer to upgrade you to ridge vent...to be honest...it really does sound like he just wants to make a little extra money...

i negotiated a good deal with my supply company...and i get the same price not matter what brand of dimensional shingle i buy...and im not a very big company either...

even though you singed a contract...im sure you could get out of it...

have you given the roofer any money yet???

DO NOT SETTLE FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU....

LET ME REPEAT THIS...

DO NOT SETTLE FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU...

even though insurance is paying for this roof...it is your money...you can use whoever you want...

i feel your pain...getting a roof should be fun and happy...especially since insurance is paying for it...

if you want to talk at all...i would be more then happy to advise you...and help you get what you want...just message me back and i will give you my number...i could probably save you some time and money...

chris

I hope you know that some of what you said is considered insurance fraud and the rest is simple lies. You must be one of the new guys in the biz that the rest of us legitimate roofers talk about...........Don't take offense, it's typical of stormers.
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I agree with MJW. How anyone can make money off of insurance is absurd. I have never priced lower than what insurance would give me. You covering their deductible is ILLEGAL. With a proper contigency agreement, you are stuck using the contractor unless you want to pay a fee to get out of it. (Something I learned the hard way, twice.)

What kind of upgrade is it to a closed valley?
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I love insurance work. Where we live they pay more then the normal charge. The only thing I do not like are the storm chasers after a hail or wind storm. We get the calls to fix the leaks after they are gone and the people get mad at our charge and the fact that there is no warranty on a repair on a roof that our company did not install. BAMBAm, I n Georgia it is the policy of most of the companies to pay the full claim of what they estimate the roof to cost even if the estimate from the roofer is lower. This is especially true with
State Farm.

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I hope you know that some of what you said is considered insurance fraud and the rest is simple lies. You must be one of the new guys in the biz that the rest of us legitimate roofers talk about...........Don't take offense, it's typical of stormers.

well MJW...none of my comments or advise was directed to you at all...they were in reply to person seeking advise...thanks for wasting space on the board...

and it is not illegal to upgrade anyone...and it is not illegal for me to not make the customer pay their deductible...seriously....get a clue...and if no money has changed hands...a monkey could get out of a contract..especially since they are trying to change something on the guy...and on a 30 square roof job in ohio that is paid for by insurance...i would make almost $4000.00 after eating deductibles and doing upgrades...maybe you just pay alot more in labor and/or material...or maybe your just a bad business person...who knows... (no offense)


and i've been roofing for over 10 years...plenty of time to consider myself an expert in the field...and im not a storm chaser...but i love storms...and if i decided to chase a storm..which i may one day...i'll load up my crews and do perfect work like i always do...

so...in the future...how about you stick to answering questions or posting replys when people are asking for advise...i didnt ask you for anything...and based on your reply...doesnt sound like you know what your really talking about... (no offesne)

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You guys should take your "Discussion" about insurance or any other off topic comments over to Contractor Talk because it's not helping the "home owner" poster here.
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Hammer, you really need to listen up. Covering deductibles is against the law. It is punishable to both parties (homeowner and contractor). This is how homeowners get swindled. I really don't care how many crews you have or how many years you claim to be in business....what you stated is NOW ILLEGAL. Sure it wasn't in the past, but it is now. Ask your Doctor, ask an insurance company, ask an auto body shop, ask anyone who deals in insurance.

Me, get a clue? You have 5 posts big guy. You should try to earn some respect instead of demanding it and being a know it all.

Sorry Sly, these types really make me mad. We lose many jobs just because of Contractors who are not doing things on the up and up. The entire industry is tired of it.

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Hammer, you really need to listen up. Covering deductibles is against the law. It is punishable to both parties (homeowner and contractor). This is how homeowners get swindled. I really don't care how many crews you have or how many years you claim to be in business....what you stated is NOW ILLEGAL. Sure it wasn't in the past, but it is now. Ask your Doctor, ask an insurance company, ask an auto body shop, ask anyone who deals in insurance.

Me, get a clue? You have 5 posts big guy. You should try to earn some respect instead of demanding it and being a know it all.

Sorry Sly, these types really make me mad. We lose many jobs just because of Contractors who are not doing things on the up and up. The entire industry is tired of it.
you win mjw...and your right slyfox...i tried not to engage it in...but i just couldnt help myself...
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Thanks to all of you guys. I certainly appreciate it. You have confirmed many of my concerns and feelings through this process. I thought it would be an easy ordeal, and I trust these guys to do their jobs. Unfortunately, it has become a big nightmare that I now believe I can put an end to. Again, I appreciate all of your insight, advise, and assistance. You're all great. And to SlyFox.....keep up the good work! Thanks to you especially!
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Does your contract specify Timberline? If so then he is in breach of the contract by refusing to give you the choice specified. It is up to you whether or not you want to continue to do business with this guy. Is there a difference in quality? Maybe a little bit, but not much. I can say for sure that IKO is cheaper, so that is why he's pushing it regardless of whether or not it is on sale. If you find the appearance acceptable, you can feel confident accepting the IKO from a product standpoint, but I would demand a discounted price before you sign a change order or amended contract. IMHO, I really don't like the tactics that this guy is using. He can try and steer you to change over to IKO, but for him to say that he "can't" get it anymore is BS and a flat out lie.... As I mentioned, the power that you have here really depends on the specifics of the contract that you signed.

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