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Old 10-06-2007, 12:44 AM   #16
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Pour about 1-2 gallons of Clorox Bleach at the base of each of the trees and by the next year, you will have no leaves to worry about.

Just kidding.....Don't take that advice seriously, PLEASE!

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I don't mind the trees... but I'm trying to kill all the grass on my property.... It may be blasphemy, but I HATE grass!!!

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Old 02-08-2008, 07:59 PM   #17
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I can't understand why Ed the Roofer seems to trash Mastershield all over this forum. I joined to learn about roof sealant and stumbled upon all of this Mastershield talk. From what I can see, no one her saying it doesn't work has any firsthand experience with it. I have pine trees and have had Mastershield for three years. I live in CT. The company I bought it from has no complaints, or at least not when I bought it. My parents love it, my neighbor loves it, and I can't believe what I am reading.
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Old 02-09-2008, 04:00 PM   #18
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Then read more and see the fuller explanation and read through all of the links previously provided.

I have never stated that one particular product will not have a place for certain situations, but instead I have revealed the truth about any one product proclaiming to be the magic wand of gutter protection devices for a universally accepted solution.

What types of flowering buds, whispy willow branches, whirlybird maple seeds, or other organic debris is typical on your home?

Which of those and others that I have not mentioned yet, are not present in your individual circumstance?

Before denouncing the advice I choose to share, which is based on much more extensive research than my home and the 2 closest adjoining homes to me, you should appreciate the fact that sometimes a contractor is not all about promoting and selling overpriced cure-alls.

As stated previously, when I checked out the link provided for the product, I also found significant consumer complaints with the BBB brought forth against the brand of product you are hyping.

Since you only have 3 posts and 2 that I saw reached deep back into the archives to bring this product and its glorious qualities to the top of the forums surface, there seems to be some personal motivation at stake, more so than just sharing keen insight.

I am glad that the product has proven successful for your individual situation, but that simplified unique experience alone will not be enough to convince me that this product has no defective instances during its usage from many other home owners.

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Old 02-09-2008, 05:57 PM   #19
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To address your comment CountTheBeans:

Love Mastershield
I can't understand why Ed the Roofer seems to trash Mastershield all over this forum.

Ed The Roofer has made comments in 2 seperate threads regarding this product and looked up the links provided and sought out personal experience from his gutter installation subcontractor and also read discouraging reviews available all over the internet, the BBB, and from forum members who did have actual hands on experience with the product.

I joined to learn about roof sealant and stumbled upon all of this Mastershield talk.

I have not seen you involved in any discussions about the purported roof sealants you claim to be seeking information about. Your only 3 posted comments had to dig up old archived discussion posts regarding the one product name you are discussing. Your posturing as an informed home owner is conspicuously transparent, as you must have been doing a Google search on your own product you are representing and have found negative information stated about its effectiveness. You quite seemingly are a sales rep for this product and have attempted to use this forum venue to Spam for your product.

From what I can see, no one her saying it doesn't work has any firsthand experience with it.

See the response that I quoted from another thread where you were trying to proclaim the high virtues of your product line you represent. I would say that this quoted member most assuredly has had personal experience with the product and is now very strongly biased against it.

I have pine trees and have had Mastershield for three years. I live in CT. The company I bought it from has no complaints, or at least not when I bought it. My parents love it, my neighbor loves it, and I can't believe what I am reading.

I suggest that you remove the rose colored glasses and pull yourself away from the self promotive manifesto tauted by the manufacturers own selective testimonials and read carefully, all of the comments about all of the gutter protection devices sold and purported to be the Final Solution. You seem to be in such incredulous disbelief at real world hands on experiences that put your own promotional comments in a better perspective, that it is obvious what your rational for posting in this forum has been. I can't believe that you would have thought that your blatant Spam would have gone unnoticed and not commented back with the reality of the effectiveness or lack thereof, of your product.


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I have Mastershield on my house for about a year now,and it is the worst investment I ever made.

After the intallation and the first heavy rain I noticed water cascading over the edge of all the gutters instead of reaching the downspouts.

I called customer service and was told that the (foolproof) screens had to be periodically detergent cleaned. This was never mentioned when the system was sold.

The first three cleaning were to be free,but after that the cost would be $59.00 a trip. Since my house has large trees adjacent, it was recommended to have the screens cleaned 4 to 6 times a year.

This system is totally flawed and is causing extensive water damage to my house.

I filled a claim against the so called lifetime warranty by registered mail on Nov.7 2007 with no response.Imade dozens of phone calls to the corporate office of Mastershield in Colubbus Ohio,but the signee of the warranty Mr. Grafton refused to speak to me.

BUYER BEWARE !!!
I guess you did not read this home owners experience and frustrations when you were advertising your undying devotion to this product, even though one of your sponsored proclomations appeared in this thread topic as well.

Have a nice day Mr. MasterShield sales rep.

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Old 02-09-2008, 06:00 PM   #20
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I keep the needles off my roof manually. when I hear the little bastards falling on the roof, I run up there and pick them up.
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:43 PM   #21
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Wow Ed, I am sorry I upset you. I was actually reading a comment on roof sealant from DOC FLETCHER and saw another post to Mastershield. I was happy with it and felt like I was doing a good deed. Now my email keeps filling with your responses, each one more venomous. It is really not that important to me.
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Old 02-09-2008, 07:04 PM   #22
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The comment that irritated me was the insinuation that I was on a mission to defame the product you had mentioned, when, if you have read the majority of my posts on this forum, you would certainly see that I am out to offer well thought out solutions along with appropriate financial considerations to be considered.

I am not soley against that one particular product, but more so against the misleading advertising and marketing techniques utilized by the manufacturers who show only the best case scenarios, especially with the mock up rain flowage simulations done at home shows.

Since all 3 of your original posts seemed conspicuously targeted for very old archived posts regarding only that product, it was concluded that you were ill advised to have been Spamming for that product, which occurrs far too often in forums such as this.

I do not take it lightly, when extensively researched and lengthy experienced real world application solutions and failures are regarded as a mission to demean a particular product.

If you truly were proferring to share your own unique experience with the product, that point is well taken, but I choose to not be dragged into the picture as if I were previously on a mission to completely denounce a particular product. I never was on such a mission, but you dug up 2 instances of thread topics were I offered my professional observations and immediately jumped to the conclusion and made the statement that I was all over this forum denouncing the merits of that product, where in more accurate appraisal of the topic, it was just 2 isolated threads that offered up my personal opinion.

It is of the utmost importance to me, that when I elect to contribute my expertise to forums such as this, that no alterior motives should be perceived to be subliminally motivated. The acceptance or rejection of my recomendations should soley be made on the insightfulness offered, which can be taken or left behind, as forum members individually choose to do with the information as they best see fit for their own circumstances.

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Old 02-09-2008, 07:55 PM   #23
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Wow Ed, I am sorry I upset you. I was actually reading a comment on roof sealant from DOC FLETCHER and saw another post to Mastershield. I was happy with it and felt like I was doing a good deed. Now my email keeps filling with your responses, each one more venomous. It is really not that important to me.
If this is the case why are you dragging out dead topics from 4-5 months past and harassing people,as roofing companies,be assured we also get 1st hand experience at peoples problems with assorted gutter covers,and what does and what doesn`t work,much further than this worked on my house,as we see hundreds of homes per year,in the space of 3 yrs that numbers close to a thousand,which would indeed give us more understanding of what works and what doesn`t,I felt ed had assessed this products failings very well,but to be honest with you I have also seen 1st hand many failures of this product and others like it,your exception top the rule doesn`t convince me because 1 out of a 1000 is still 1 out of 1000
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Doc,

It only got interesting after he dug back into the archives to bring up 3 old threads all about the same brand of gutter protection and then accused me of slamming that product all over the entire forum repetitively.

If he would have more accurately read my original posts, I mostly commented that none of the products are the magic cure for every situation, although on an individual basis one will be great for one situation, but not for others.

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Ed, Oh, I see. A unfortunate happening.

TRG Saw your site, very nice indeed.

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thanks Doc,put together by the very best in my opinion,Anita schindler,the woman does a fantastic job on site optimization as well
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I have the MasterShield Gutter System and my gutters are clogged as I write. I contacted the company who sold them to me and they want $55.00 just to come and look at the gutters. Their guarantee is worthless. When you call a lady answers the phone and refuses to let you talk to a supervisor or anyone with the company. I'm contacting my state attorney generals office as I'm certain I'm not the only one in the Cincinnat/Dayton Ohio area to have problems with MasterSheild.

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