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Old 12-29-2011, 07:57 PM   #16
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Not sure if you have any experience with some of the shingles in the last year or so. Some of the brands have "cheapened" their product extensively.

I have seen a few roofers mention this in the forums and heard a few mention it here in my area and so far the answers as to why they think/believe that has been the same, which is less weight and less asphalt.

(Less weight is good, less asphalt is absolutely fantastic)

Fiberglas took the place of Asbestos and now Synthetics "Poly" are taking the place of Fiberglas.
Not just in underlayments but in the make up of the shingles also.

GAF, Certainteed, OC and Atlas already have poly products in their shingles in certain plants.
If the others don't, they soon will, because it's the future asbestosfiberglas.

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Old 12-29-2011, 08:22 PM   #17
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I only use GAF now and have never had a call back.
In the past I've used IKO, Atlas, and Tamco and had a terrible time with colors not matching from one bundle to the next one, and yes they were all the same batch number.
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Not sure if you have any experience with some of the shingles in the last year or so. Some of the brands have "cheapened" their product extensively.

I have seen a few roofers mention this in the forums and heard a few mention it here in my area and so far the answers as to why they think/believe that has been the same, which is less weight and less asphalt.

(Less weight is good, less asphalt is absolutely fantastic)

Fiberglas took the place of Asbestos and now Synthetics "Poly" are taking the place of Fiberglas.
Not just in underlayments but in the make up of the shingles also.

GAF, Certainteed, OC and Atlas already have poly products in their shingles in certain plants.
If the others don't, they soon will, because it's the future asbestosfiberglas.

Our supplier says GAF is trying to get to under 200 lbs/ square.
I dropped a timberline off a roof in 30 degree weather and it looked as if it shattered on the ground.

Whatever they are doing, is not in the right direction, IMO.
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:02 PM   #19
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Thanks for all the responses.

Quick question - 4 or 6 nails per sheet?

EDIT - never mind - search and you shall know!

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So I'm still trying to sort my way through a few of the options;

As stated before I do not have soffit vents currently. Would it be better to install soffit vents or "SmartVent" (price and quality)?
In general I am worried about the longevity of SmartVent. Will it last 20 yrs? I got an opportunity to look at a sample and it is a pretty basic product. Will the plastic last in extreme weather and will the fiberglass filter stay on and not get clogged up?

And I am also debating on replacing all plywood based on all the moisture buildup. Most roofers tell me to only replace the bad sheets, but Im wondering if there is a lot of mold growing on those sheets. And if so, seeing as the attic is "outside", do I really care if there is mold? And will those water stained sheets last another 20 years? Am I better off just properly sealing between the attic and upstairs living space instead of wasting my money on new plywood?

These are the questions floating through my head...

And then a side question I care less about except it helps me gauge the honesty of some of the contractors - If I install GAF shingles with SmartVent, will GAF still provide/honour their warranty? One roofer proposed this mix of products, the other told me to not mix these two products if I care about warranty.
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Cannot comment on the Smartvent. Have heard very good things about it but have rarely used it.

As far as the sheeting goes, if it's not delaminating there is no reason to replace it.

Unless you are getting a full system warranty from the shingle mfr there is no reason to use all of their proprietary materials. You still have the mfrs material warranty (for what it's worth) regardless of the accessories used as long as it meets standard roofing practices.

4 nails are standard and minimum req. Millions of squares are installed this way. 6-nailing is used to achieve a higher wind rating and is always a good choice but will add a little to the installation cost.
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To further onb's response, 6 fasteners and sometimes more are commonly used on steeper slopes as well.
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Oops, good point Sly. 10/12 and over always a good idea
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The least expensive way to do any project is to do it right the first time.

Companies who have the courage to bid higher allow you as a homeowner to spend enough to get a quality roofing system installed. Yes, it is a system, from the ventilation to the decking to the underlayment to the shingle.

Beware the low bidder, in many cases they are forced to choose between cutting corners or buying groceries for their families. That's not the company you want on your roof.

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