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Old 07-27-2010, 07:16 PM   #31
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Here's the deal... I have done my research!! I have dug my entire foundation with an excavator, poured the concrete myself, had a structual engineer look at it during the prepour and the final state and gave me a certificate to give to the city. I did all the framing myself and the framing inspector signed off on it, all the AC ductwork is done and that is signed off as done correctly. So, as far as I am concerned, my addition is done the correct way and have had ZERO problems until now. So, I understand that there are "Pros" here that know everything, but some of us on this site don't have all teh "tools" or "knowledge" needed to build an entire house by themselves. I simply asked for help in the beginning with my roof and stated what I already knew were problems. I provided pictures showing what I had done incorrectly and had even stated SEVERAL times about me NOT putting the fascia on correctly, actually not putting it on at all. Ok, so I missed a step. However, there is a way to point out problems with the way someone does it and then run them down telling them to just start the hell all over again because they didn't do their own research and "acted" before knowing the facts. Really? Is this why people come to this site, to be ridiculed by the "Pros" that think they know everything? Well, let me tell ya, there are people that think they know everything and people that actually know everything and I will be the first to tell you that I am neither of those people. I simply ran into a problem and asked for some help. I can see why people can't stand contractors and try to do things themselves. It is because of crap like this. So, before you even think about responding with some idiot comments, go somewhere else, maybe to another site for jerks, because I don't remember the point in time that I turned into one. Oh yeah, I remember, it was when I was told that I didn't do any of my research, I haven't done anything right, and that I should just rip everything off and start all over. Really? Yeah, I'm definitely going to take your advice. Thanks for those that helped, I will now go do some additional "research" which was obviously not written by the "Pros" on this forum, but "real" pros.

Thanks for making this experience a real winner!!!! I'll go somewhere else where I can get some "real" advice from people that actually "want" to offer and help you.

Thanks again!!!!

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Old 07-27-2010, 07:18 PM   #32
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And thats all folks
Thread will be re-opened after everyone cools off

Thread re-opened
I suggest everyone keep calm
Once multiple problems are noticed, other areas are then looked at
There wasn't any indication you used trusses
Would not be the 1st time someone tried to use 2x4's for a roof

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Old 07-28-2010, 07:27 PM   #33
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Alright, I had a "professional" come out and look at EVERYTHING I have done and gave me some pointers. Yes, I now know quite a bit more than I did when I started and if I ever build something like this again, I now know the correct methods of attack. So, lets just work on one item at a time. Here is my new question. For my flying rafters, I simply built them and nailed them to the gable rafter. I need to find the easiest way to keep this from drooping or essentially "Falling off" the side of the house. HAHA!! So, he suggested to go to a welding shop and have them fabricate a traingular support bracket that would hold it better than what it is now. He said to then lag bolt the bracket into the gable rafter. Now, I am the type of person to ask for other options to save money, so does anyone have any other ideas, and no, I am not ripping the entire roof off to fix this either. Please see attached photos so you will know exactly what I am referring to.

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Old 07-28-2010, 07:29 PM   #34
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Everyone, I want to apologize for going "psycho' on people for pointing out my mistakes. However, please realize that I am NO professional, and am simply here asking for help like everyone else. I do appreciate your help and if you had not pointed out the problem areas, I would not have been as concerned about making sure it is done correctly. Again, I appreciate your help and hope to get some good QUALITY feedback and advice from people that have either made the same mistakes, or avoided them.

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The picture below illustrates how a "rake ladder" is typically done. Your end trusses should have been spec'd to accept ladders. The way you have framed it will sag over time.

One thing that might help some is to add a 2x sub fascia at the eave that that extends back across several trusses. Since you have to add to the bottom of the shingles anyway, that shouldn't be a big deal. Hopefully you have several full sheets of OSB tying the fly rafter back to several trusses.

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Old 07-29-2010, 06:18 AM   #36
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Wow, way overkill, but ya it will work.

Most fly rafters on new homes are stapled to the sheathing, nailed together at the peak and that's it. No look outs, no nothing. I've even seen them not even nailed to the subfascia at the eave.

With only a 1 foot overhang, I believe what he has will be fine. JMO and experience.

Remember "quality", "professional", and "saving money" hardly ever go together. Good luck.

It's tough not to say........you should just start over.

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CU, yes I have full sheets extending all the way back so at least that part is done right. So, basically I have to notch out the top of the gable truss and run a 2x4 along the top of it and attach to the end of the fly rafter? Do you think I could get away with only doing 3 of them? One on bottom, one on top and one in the middle?
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CU, yes I have full sheets extending all the way back so at least that part is done right. So, basically I have to notch out the top of the gable truss and run a 2x4 along the top of it and attach to the end of the fly rafter? Do you think I could get away with only doing 3 of them? One on bottom, one on top and one in the middle?

Don't cut the trusses, although if you had to cut one, the end truss would be the one to cut. If the overhang is only a foot (looks like more to me), then what you've done is probably acceptable. The bottom corner is probably the most susceptible to sagging. Since you've got a sub fascia to add any way, add a 2x sub fascia to the ends of the trusses. That will also make it closer to a full shingle reveal to be added to the bottom.

You never did answer my underlayment question.
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CU, thanks!! As far as your underlayment question, you talking about the OSB or felt paper? As far as OSB, yes I put full sheets running horizontal all the way up. As far ad felt paper, I used the thin stuff. Prolly should have went with something heavier due to the slope of the roof, but I ended up using the thin felt paper. If those weren't the underlayment question you had, then I may have to go back and read your posts again and find tour question.
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What about this? What if I had some sort of metal plate, then drilled a few holes in it and attached the fly rafter to the gable truss with pretty good sized lag bolts. Would that help? Yeah, I know it is only a foot overhang and that it may be good like it is, buy I wanna make sure it isn't gonna sag in a few years. In 20 yrs, when I reshingle the roof, I'll probably strenghten it better then, just trying to keep it from sagging too much at all until then.
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CU, thanks!! As far as your underlayment question, you talking about the OSB or felt paper? As far as OSB, yes I put full sheets running horizontal all the way up. As far ad felt paper, I used the thin stuff. Prolly should have went with something heavier due to the slope of the roof, but I ended up using the thin felt paper. If those weren't the underlayment question you had, then I may have to go back and read your posts again and find tour question.

I'm asking about the shingle underlayment. To install those shingles on that slope, you need to half lap your underlayment per manufacturer's instructions. Did you do that?

On the rake ladder: There may be some Simpson connectors that will help add some strength. I'd check into that.
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When you say half lap, do you mean to overlap half of it on top of each other, thus almost making it 2 layers? Yes, I overlapped it but it wasn't 1/2 way, I would say about 1/4 way. So, hopefully everything is sealed good, I'll know after this weekend when it really comes down, supposed to rain pretty good this weekend. Also, as far as the flashing by the wall, I got that all taken care of with an additional roll of roll flashing that is now behind the foam board insulation, which is behind the vinyl siding. I literally took a pressure washer to it and got nothing below, so I think that is taken care of.

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Let me work on roof a little this weekend if the rain holds out and I'll post more pics. I am going to take all of your suggestions to heart and start fixing some of the stuff that I either forgot or messed up on. I am going to lag bolt the fly rafter on a little better about every 24", going to put my subfascia and fascia on, extend out the shingles so that they are done correctly and do a couple of other things. It is probably going to take a while, but I would rather fix it now before i go any further. Thanks again for all your suggestions, if there is anything else you can think of that I need to do while I am fixing all this, please let me know.

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I wonder if something like this would work, obviously with some serious lag bolts to hold it in place.
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how about some decorative/structural gable brackets

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