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Old 03-22-2012, 08:23 AM   #16
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The System Plus Warranty by GAF will cover any shingles defect as long as it is installed by a GAF Certified contractor, you use 3 GAF products and their shingle and have the contractor register the warranty. After the roof is completed and the warranty is registered you will be getting a warranty certificate directly from GAF. It usually take about 2 weeks.

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Incorrect. GAF does everything possible not to honor warranties. If they covered cracking, they wouldn't have so many problems on the east coast.

All someone needs to do is pay the fee to get certified. I've seen guys who couldn't even read the book get certified. What needs to happen is the roof needs to be properly installed by whoever is doing it.

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Old 03-22-2012, 08:51 AM   #17
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Hopefully the links below will help you.

As far as the pipe boots, they will not last as long as the roof. Like anything else in your home a roof needs regular maintenance to retain its optimal operating condition.

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Old 03-22-2012, 09:04 AM   #18
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Update: I have the insurance finalized and met with the contractor. They say the estimate needs some work (re-flashing the sheds was not included) and a couple of other things, so they are going back to get all of that corrected. However, they say the estimate is sufficient and they can replace the roof.

I am also going for the upgrades needed to warranty the roof from GAF.

Here is the totals:

Total Roof = 41 sq.
Total Cost = $10,863

Additional items (out of pocket):

WeatherGaurd = $786 (524 ln ft @ $1.5/ft)
Ridge Vent = $416 (119 ln ft @ $3.5/ft)
Deductable = $1000
Timberline 30 yr = $1410 (Natural Shadow 47sq @ $30/Sq)
Total = $3612

Wowsers, I would recheck those numbers!!!!
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Wowsers, I would recheck those numbers!!!!
Didn't you know that doing the work for cost is the new rage....
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Wowsers, I would recheck those numbers!!!!
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I think he is inferring that those number are extremely low.

At nearly $265 a square, that is very close to what most guys materials and labor only numbers would be.
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Oh ok. I was told by the contractor that they charge $250 a sq for 25 yr, and $280 sq for 30 yr. I would expect it would be somewhat lower here due to the cost of living. That seems to be the prevailing rate around here.

My house here costs much less than my house in Md. I moved here 20 yrs ago from Md. I bought this house for about the same price, all brick, 2 car garage on 4 acres, 2500 sq ft. My house in Md was about 2100 sq ft on 1/3 acre and now sells for double what this one is worth.

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Incorrect. GAF does everything possible not to honor warranties. If they covered cracking, they wouldn't have so many problems on the east coast.

All someone needs to do is pay the fee to get certified. I've seen guys who couldn't even read the book get certified. What needs to happen is the roof needs to be properly installed by whoever is doing it.
I am not sure this is different from others. The guy next door has Certainteed and his are cracking at 19 yrs. He was told they would not replace them because there has been no damage as a result.
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Any shingle company will try to find some excuse to not pay. They will say you only used our shingle but not our vent, starters or caps and that's why it failed. That is why you need to install a whole roof system from 1 manufacturer, do not mix and match materials doesn't matter which manufacturer. Although it would make sense to go with the largest manufacturer in America. Manufacturer warranty like the system plus by GAF only covers manufacturer defects so you have to make sure your contractor know what he is doing. I would check references of past jobs, the BBB and maybe online for reviews from other customers. You can verify they are GAF certified by using the link below.

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It feels like their is a GAF rep on here. Truthfully, unless you're getting a 5 Star CertainTeed warranty or a GAF Golden Pledge warranty, I wouldn't be making decisions based on warranties. 9 out of 10 roofs aren't installed correctly so unless the manufacturer covers in the installers workmanship, I wouldn't put a lot of a trust behind it.

Cracking at 19 years on what are most likely 20-25 year shingles is pretty good compared to 3-7 years for what are now GAF 50 year shingles. Either way, I am not here to promote one manufacturer over another. The most important part of any job is installation and for a guy to be able to do 41 sq for 11 grand is concerning.

It further shows this roofers lack of knowledge when he refers to shingles as 30 year, 40 year or 50 year. Now that it has been over 15 months since those changes took place, everyone should know they no longer make Timberlines in 30 year.
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It feels like their is a GAF rep on here. Truthfully, unless you're getting a 5 Star CertainTeed warranty or a GAF Golden Pledge warranty, I wouldn't be making decisions based on warranties. 9 out of 10 roofs aren't installed correctly so unless the manufacturer covers in the installers workmanship, I wouldn't put a lot of a trust behind it.

Cracking at 19 years on what are most likely 20-25 year shingles is pretty good compared to 3-7 years for what are now GAF 50 year shingles. Either way, I am not here to promote one manufacturer over another. The most important part of any job is installation and for a guy to be able to do 41 sq for 11 grand is concerning.

It further shows this roofers lack of knowledge when he refers to shingles as 30 year, 40 year or 50 year. Now that it has been over 15 months since those changes took place, everyone should know they no longer make Timberlines in 30 year.
First I really appreciate all of the feedback, even the negative. I want to ensure I am doing this right. That said, I have found lawsuits against everyone. So, I have no idea who is really better. I do know that contractors (one buddy and a couple of contractors I talked to) recommended GAF.

I do ,however, find all of these warranties quite confusing. Can you explain the difference to qualify between the System Plus warranty and the Gold Pledge warranty? I did look at both, but don't know what has to be done to qualify for the Gold Pledge one. I see it covers all lifetime shingles, so Timberline Natural Shadow should be included. The warranty didn't lay out what is needed to qualify.

This makes my head spin. These warranties seem to be as good as a warranty on a bed. Unless the springs fall out the bottom, nothing is really covered.

It was me who said 30 yr shingles, the contractor said "We install Timberline Natural Shadow for those applications." I just refer to them as 30 yr since that is what they really are. It seems the 50 yr thing or lifetime is nothing more than a marketing spin.

Are there common installation errors to watch for? I will be here the entire time and plan to watch.
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I install weather watch on almost all my roofs. If you live in area where snow can pile up and have area where the sun does not melt the snow. then you need to ice and water shield those areas. It does noe cost that much more to ice and water the entire roof

Check out my video on roofs <iframe width="560" height="315" src=<Company link removed> frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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To qualify for a system plus you need to use the GAF Materials and the contractor has to be Certified Installer. This warranty will only cover defects.

For a Golden Pledge Warranty you need to install GAF Materials and the contractor has to be Certified as Master Elite. This warranty will cover all defects as well as labor. GAF will send out a inspector to make sure the roof was done according to their specifications before they issue a warranty certificate.

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I install weather watch on almost all my roofs. If you live in area where snow can pile up and have area where the sun does not melt the snow. then you need to ice and water shield those areas. It does noe cost that much more to ice and water the entire roof

Check out my video on roofs <iframe width="560" height="315" src="<Company link removed> " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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LOL!!!!! :n o:

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To qualify for a system plus you need to use the GAF Materials and the contractor has to be Certified Installer. This warranty will only cover defects.

For a Golden Pledge Warranty you need to install GAF Materials and the contractor has to be Certified as Master Elite. This warranty will cover all defects as well as labor. GAF will send out a inspector to make sure the roof was done according to their specifications before they issue a warranty certificate.

I've never heard of certified installers. Just certified companies that paid their way.
Most of these contractors I see use installers who appear to be illiterate and homeless.

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