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Old 01-15-2007, 10:26 AM   #31
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The GAF Golden Pledge warranty is without a doubt the best warranty in the residential roofing industry, of course your roof has to be installed by a certified applicator and inspected by a GAF inspector it is not available to just any roofer so some may not be familiar with it. the details are available on there website as well as details on there other upgraded warranties. Certainteed is good but the coverage dosnt come close. GAF most certainly does stand by there product, in the rare event "over 20 years of installing it" there is a concern the rep comes right out and its rectified. Get the facts guys http://www.gaf.com/General/ContLocat...1&App=CONT&Uid=

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Old 01-16-2007, 09:45 PM   #32
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Sorry Jim, but I gotta disagree. A decade ago GAF was one of the worst products on the market and though they've come a long way as far as quality, I still can't see my way clear to trust them. CertainTeeds quality has never been questionable, nor has their reputation for standing behind thier warranties. As far as the golden pledge warranty, if you check you'll find that it's a direct copycat of the CertainTeed Integrity warranty (also only available from certified installers) that was on the market well before GAF's. Also GAF's new design for "Country Mansion" is a direct result of a patent infringement law suit for copying CertainTeeds "Grand Manor" line of shingles, which tells me that GAF doesn't mind litigation now any more than they did ten years ago. Anyway Jim, only time will tell which company backs their extended warranties better. Maybe in 30 years we'll sit on the porch of the old roofers home and debate it some more, but for now I do believe that CertainTeeds history and reputation are on my side.
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Old 01-20-2007, 10:33 AM   #33
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Thats OK we can agree to disagree on this. Your facts are off though Golden pledge warranty started in 1997. We are also applicators for Certainteed but after they bought out Bird "where most of the northeast product comes from" and then Certainteed themselves were bought out by a French company "Saint Gobain" It changed. I do however really like there Shangle products and know that there reps do stand by there products as well. Gaf and Certainteed both make a good product in general.

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Old 08-07-2007, 11:49 AM   #34
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Would someone tell me why roofs all over the US have awful streaks running down the roofs. It is apparent that the streaks are from the grit coming off. Having talked to these owners, most of the roofs are under 10 years old and some are under five years old.

Our roof started streaking when it was two years old. The roof is a Timberline 30 year roof and there is more grit on the ground than there is on the roof. In our subdivision alone 50% of the homes are experiencing this problem. Any answers?
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Old 08-07-2007, 12:22 PM   #35
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The following information from 3M ScotchGuard may answer your questions.

Here is the link too.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...Resistant/FAQ/

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Following are questions and answers that provide detailed, helpful information about algae staining on asphalt shingle roofs.


What causes black streaks on asphalt roof shingles?

Unsightly black stains on shingles are often mistaken for fungus, mildew, dirt or oil, but are actually caused by a hardy type of algae. This common problem has increased during the past 20 years, indiscriminately settling on rooftops from coast to coast. Dark algae streaks are visible when algae cover the normally vibrant colors of white, cobalt blue or hunter green roofing granules.


How do algae grow?

The primary type of algae found on rooftops - Gloeocapsa magma - thrives in humid environments, often appearing first on the north slope of a roof where extra shade and moisture support its growth. Algae can derive mineral nutrients from fillers such as calcium carbonate in asphalt shingles. Increased use of moisture attracting calcium carbonate fillers cause asphalt shingles to retain moisture longer, thus promoting algae growth.

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Why are algae black?

The organism Gloeocapsa produces a dark-pigmented sheath to protect itself from ultra-violet rays. By the time the black streaks are noticeable, the algae usually have been growing for months or years - the result of generations of dead algae cells built up over time.

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Are algae harmful to shingles?

There are no proven damaging effects of algae accumulation on shingles. However, the dark algae streaks are the number one appearance-related problem reported to roofing contractors. Consumers commonly mistake the dark stains for faulty shingles, leading them to complain to the contractor or manufacturer about a shingle's performance.

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How do algae stains spread?

When environmental conditions are right for algae development, the problem rapidly expands, covering an entire roof. Once algae are present in an area, airborne spores are carried from rooftop to rooftop, infesting whole neighborhoods. All roof types, including wood shakes, concrete and clay tile, and asphalt shingles are susceptible to algae infestation.

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What methods are available to clean an algae-infested roof if a homeowner isn't ready to replace the roof?

Cleaning is the most commonly used homeowner defense against algae build-up on asphalt roofing shingles, but at best, it's only a "quick fix." Typically, roofs must be cleaned frequently to minimize obvious staining. Not only are repeated cleanings costly ($400 - $700), but some cleaning methods can damage a roof and shorten the life of the shingles. Excessive scrubbing or power washing loosens the granules - and in essence, the color. It also deteriorates the asphalt once the protective granules are lost due to sunlight, causing further degradation to the shingle. Potent bleach solutions also can damage shrubs and bushes, and can be caustic to the homeowner or roof cleaner.

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What is the most effective asphalt shingle product available to inhibit algae growth and prevent the black staining?

Look for the Scotchgard™ Algae Resistant Roofing System logo on quality shingle brands. The Scotchgard™ Algae Resistant Roofing System means protection. Many shingles feature algae resistance. But your assurance of the optimal long-term protection from granule discoloration due to algae can only be achieved when the precise level of granules with Scotchgard™ protection is uniformly distributed across the surface of the shingle in combination with standard colored granules.

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How can a homeowner be sure of the performance of an Algae Resistant (AR) product?

Consult with a quality professional roofing contractor about asphalt shingles with built-in Scotchgard™ protection. The Scotchgard™ Algae Resistant Roofing System logo on quality shingle brands is your assurance of the optimal long-term protection from algae staining.

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Do asphalt shingles with built-in Scotchgard™ protection cost more than regular asphalt shingles?

Generally yes, but many experts and homeowners agree that it's much less expensive to prevent algae growth from the outset. The price difference is minimal when one faces the accumulated cost of frequent roof cleanings. The extra cost associated with built-in Scotchgard™ protection refers to the materials only, because the labor cost to install these shingles is the same as it is for regular shingles.
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Old 08-09-2007, 11:22 PM   #36
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It appears to me to be a problem of the grit coming off. Most of these homes have heavy grit the roof drains and all over their patios. I don't think algae would cause the grit to crumble. Also most that I have talked with do not have algae problems anywhere else. We do not even have algae on our pond. When I asked one man that does roofing, he stated to me that companies were not baking the grit on long enough and the end result was storms, heavy rains, etc would start the grit coming off and it is down hill from there.

Being from a family with many degreed engineers, we don't see an algae problem, nor do we see that as a problem for most of the folks that we have talked with. Our roof was only 2 years old when we started seeing heavy grit on the ground.

It almost appears that a class action suit for poorly manufactured roofing tiles is the answer. We are gathering the info the start one. Thanks for the information you provided, but something just is not right.
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It appears to me to be a problem of the grit coming off. Most of these homes have heavy grit the roof drains and all over their patios. I don't think algae would cause the grit to crumble. Also most that I have talked with do not have algae problems anywhere else. We do not even have algae on our pond. When I asked one man that does roofing, he stated to me that companies were not baking the grit on long enough and the end result was storms, heavy rains, etc would start the grit coming off and it is down hill from there.

Being from a family with many degreed engineers, we don't see an algae problem, nor do we see that as a problem for most of the folks that we have talked with. Our roof was only 2 years old when we started seeing heavy grit on the ground.

It almost appears that a class action suit for poorly manufactured roofing tiles is the answer. We are gathering the info the start one. Thanks for the information you provided, but something just is not right.
Why don't you file a claim with GAF? I don't know why a class action suit would be the answer, unless you are an attorney trying to make money. You should just deal with your own individual case. I assume you haven't contacted a roofing company to take a look at it nor have you contacted GAF.
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:17 AM   #38
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I have been having enormous problems with GAF and would very much appreciate hearing from anyone who has had difficulties dealing with them. GAF has have been giving me the run-around forever. I have a "golden pledge" warranty and have had huge problems with this roof from the beginning. Any advice anyone can provide would be very welcome.
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Old 08-15-2007, 11:11 AM   #39
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I will take license here and ask that you give the pros on the board particulars of your dealings with GAF. How long is forever, where are you located, what are the specific issues with the roof, how old now, and who have you been talking to with regard to the roof issues?
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Old 08-15-2007, 11:59 AM   #40
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It has been going on since 2002 when the roof was installed. There were problems from the very outset--they tore off old the old shingles and slate below that, and just hurled the stuff off the roof, chewing up the (just painted) woodwork on my porches and external staircases, getting black soot in all of my and my neighbor's windows (through the screens, I had to pay to have the neighbor's house cleaned). The ridge vent was obviously installed wrong, but fortunately by brother was here and saw it and made them replace it. It has been leaking since. They came back and slapped a but a caulk all over the place, I'd fix the ceiling and have it repainted, and the leaks would show up again. I have called GAF and the roofer innumerable times. I BEGGED GAF to let me use another GAF certified contractor, but they said I had to use the same roofer. He ended up claiming there was a problem with the chimney, and GAF wouldn't do anything until I got the chimney fixed. I had 3 different masons come out and tell me the problem was NOT the chimney, and still the roofer and GAF would not do anything. I ended up paying a mason to work on the chimney anyway, even though he said it wouldn't stop the leak, because GAF wanted documentation that the chimeny had been worked on. In the meantime, I can see the flashing flapping in the breeze and exposed nailheads all over the place. The first roofer evenutally stopped calling me back and then disappeared. Eventually GAF sent another company, and the guys who came out said the whole roof should be replace, it is too much to repair. GAF is balking and stalling and saying that they are waiting for estimates on the repairs...they always promise to call back and I end up having to pursue them and get no satisfaction. It is beyond unbelievable.

I now have substantial damage inside all over the house and can only imagine what is going on with the sheathing, etc. It actually gets worse from here, but I think you get the idea. The ONLY reason I went with the roofer at all was because of the Golden Pledge warranty--they were the highest estimate I received. And BTW: the roof never leaked before they worked on it--I was doing the work prospectively, because the I knew the roof would need to be replaced fairly soon, and I didn't want to wait until I had a problem. I think "Horror Story" is mild in this case.
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If your facts are true and undisputed, you should have already seen an attorney to file a claim and a suit against both, the roofing contractor and the GAF Corporation, due to their Golden Pledge Waranty Promises made but not delivered upon your home.

Digital photos of the work in question on the roof and the flashings blowing around would be appreciated for a better analysis.

Also, I do not believe that GAF would have any liability for the dirt and other non-roof installation issues you mentioned. That would have been the roofing contractors liability insurance policy coverage.

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mjw-the shingles are on as steep pitch and are not 6 nailed,and you HAVE to nail in the nail line or that will happen w/any brand,also w/splitting and cracking ,usually other issues are at hand like insufficient insulation and/or lack af appropriate ventilation which allow heat and moisture to attack the unprotected bottom of the shingle(just like ice under pavement causing heaving problems),as far as mixed batches of shingles go,blame the guy who ordered them and the guy who checked them at time of delivery,because it even states on the bundles not to mix materials bearing different lot numbers,these things happen w/ any supplier---as far as shingles go 50 yr is worth the extra money but be sure the house/building is insulated and vented properly,including venting such items as bathroom fans up and thru the roof,I like GAF,&TAMKO,BUT IN YOUR AREA IF AVAILABLE THE MALARKEY has a GREAT reputation,shingle cap can be cut from 3-tabs if the color matches for the same quality results and a little less $,but bottom line:the roof of your house is not the place to skimp on money-GOOD LUCK
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FYI Malarkey uses Scotchgard with the 50yr. For some unknown reason consumers reports rated them #12 out of a field of 15. Gaf ultra was number 4. Certainteed landmark 50 #2 and Grand mannor #1.
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Malarkey is probably rated so low because they are not readily available nation wide and do not have the brand awareness with most consumers.

If my suppliers carried them, I definitely would offer them as an upgraded option due to the modified bitumen in the make-up of the shingle.

Plus, consumers are not who should be asked ablout the quality of a roofing shingle product, roofing contractors are.

Except for their bias towards which ever brand their supplier recommends and offers a consistently valued price level, their opinions would count more because they deal with the prodsucts on a day to day basis.

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I wish I knew how consumers reports tested these shingles. Certainteed grand manor came in with excellent strength, very good wind, excellent weathering, and very good impact. So I suppose one could say it is their benchmark. Malarkey strength came in good, wind good, weathering excellent, impact very good. The qualitys that are most important to me are strength and weathering.

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