First New Roof ... Totally Confused - Roofing/Siding - DIY Home Improvement | DIYChatroom


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Roofing/Siding

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-07-2007, 02:05 AM   #31
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,384
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


There is a "Sure Start" and a "Sure Start Plus" warranty available if the contractor is one of their program certified contractors.

You can find out more by visiting:

www.Certainteed.com

Here is a link to the warranty also:

http://www.certainteed.com/NR/rdonly...rtWarranty.pdf


Ed

Here is the "Sure Start Plus" warranty information:

SureStartTM PLUS
In order to qualify for SureStartTM PLUS extended warranty coverage, the roof system must be installed by a contractor with an up-to-date ShingleMasterTM or SELECT Shingle RooferTM credential, and must meet Integrity Roof SystemTM requirements.

ShingleMasters can offer 3-Star and 4-Star Coverage. SELECT Shingle Roofers can offer all three levels of SureStart PLUS.

For a list of ShingleMasters and SELECT Shingle Roofers in your area, click here.


Advertisement


Last edited by Ed the Roofer; 10-07-2007 at 02:08 AM.
Ed the Roofer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2007, 08:20 AM   #32
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 21
Rewards Points: 10
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


Ok, thanks, Ed. That is what I thought the case was. The guy I think I will likely go with would not lower his price, but will provide me with the 5-star coverage. They have their Select level, and some are at the Wizard level, whatever that means.

Thanks again for all the help over the last couple weeks. It is much appreciated!
adawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2007, 12:35 PM   #33
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,384
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


No problem. I am glad you found a good and qualified contractor to work with who took the extra time to learn more about his craft.

If he is interested, please inform him of the;

www.contractortalk.com site for additional sharing of business and trade information and best practices.

Would you please also keep us informed as to how the project goes once he starts working on it.

Ed
Ed the Roofer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2007, 04:25 PM   #34
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 21
Rewards Points: 10
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


One last question, does Tamko offer an upgrade warranty for their shingles? The roofer we like offered us our choice of Certainteed Landmark or Tamko Heritage shingles. He also brought up the 5-star Certainteed warranty for 15 years, but we never really talked about Tamko. Now going through the brochures, we are found of a couple Tamko colors. Do they have a similar 15-year extended warranty plan?

Many thanks!
adawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2007, 06:25 PM   #35
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 123
Rewards Points: 75
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed the Roofer View Post
Why does this occur?
Because most contractors and homeowners are too concerned about the "Bid" price rather than the life of the installation.

Ed
It occurs in most cases, Ed, because the folks who are replacing the roof or doing another repair, are strapped for money. They simply don't have a concept of how much that it costs to maintain a house when they buy it. They over-extend on the payment and then have no money to do maintenance.

I actually went with the lowest "BID". However, it simply came out in my favor. I knew that the contractor would do a great job. He simply came in with the lowest bid. Why would I pay more?

One other point. Sometimes the highest bid is a contractor who does not want to do the job. He already has more work than he can handle. He plays the game so he doesn't upset the homeowner; knowing upfront that he won't get the bid. If he does by chance, then it is worth his time to take the job. He can hire extra help for the one job.

I do understand what you are saying, however. I am in the process right now of redoing repairs that were done by the lowest bidder, I am certain.
Handyman50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2007, 10:45 PM   #36
Member
 
the roofing god's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Pomona,New York,10970
Posts: 877
Rewards Points: 500
Send a message via MSN to the roofing god
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


OR PEOPLE DON`T REALISE WHAT`S NECESSARY FOR A PROPER ROOF INSTALLATION,AND THEY CHEAT THE SPECS,DON`T CARRY THE PROPER INSURANCE,DON`T HAVE THE NECESSARY EXPERIENCE ,ETC.---IT`S REALLY A MATTER OF PAY NOW OR PAY LATER---IT`S VERY POSSIBLE TO HAVE A WELL MEANING ROOFER WHO DOES THE BEST JOB HE KNOWS HOW TO,AND DOESN`T FULLY KNOW WHY THINGS ARE DONE IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS,BECAUSE SOMEON TAUGHT HIM DIFFERENT AND/OR HE WASN`T THE GUY WHO WENT OUT ON THE REPAIR CALLS
__________________
"If it`s worth doing,It`s worth doing right!!"

www.ADVANCEDROOFINGNEWYORK.com
the roofing god is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2007, 07:31 PM   #37
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 204
Rewards Points: 150
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


if there's one thing in your house you don't skimp on... it should be your roof, I mean it protects EVERYTHING else below it!

Get an Amish crew estimate, they did my 25 squares at I believe $5300, full tear off included (northern ohio). Nobody could have done a better job, it looks great.

commercial roofers don't like them because they can't compete with the price/quality ratio of everyone else, as they have less overhead.
johnnyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2007, 08:08 PM   #38
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,384
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


Also, from what I have heard, they do not have to pay taxes, because it goes directly to their faith.

I may br wrong about that, but there seems to be alot of evidence pointing that way.

So, just like hiring illegal immigrants to put Americans out of work, pay somebody who does not support the US tax system and carry their own share of the burden.

I hope that you use Chinese Tooth Paste to shine up that smirk on your face right now.

Did you get a certificate of Workmans Compensation Insurance from them?

What about a Certificate of General Liability Insurance?

I have heard that they provide good old fashioned craftsmanship, but I would not support them as opposed to another "Professional" Contractor, if they are not providing all of the same ancillary benefits required to provide the proper "Roofing System".

That is the problem with most home owners perception of a good job. It looks good the day they are done, but what about the proper balanced intake and exhaust ventilation?

How will the roof look like in 12 years, let alone the 30 that it typically should be warranted for?

Granted, their are an overwhelming amount of "So-Called Professionals" out there too, and the majority of them are hacks.

Choose the Right Contractor who will do you justice by anticipating and providing exemplary service and out spec the "Minimum" standards, which so many others fail to meet. You do not know that until it is too late, though, do you?

Ed

Last edited by Ed the Roofer; 10-08-2007 at 10:21 PM.
Ed the Roofer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2007, 09:04 PM   #39
Member
 
the roofing god's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Pomona,New York,10970
Posts: 877
Rewards Points: 500
Send a message via MSN to the roofing god
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


OR PEOPLE DON`T REALISE WHAT`S NECESSARY FOR A PROPER ROOF INSTALLATION,AND THEY CHEAT THE SPECS,DON`T CARRY THE PROPER INSURANCE,DON`T HAVE THE NECESSARY EXPERIENCE ,ETC.---IT`S REALLY A MATTER OF PAY NOW OR PAY LATER---if there's one thing in your house you don't skimp on... it should be your roof, I mean it protects EVERYTHING else below it!----THE 1ST C+P DESCRIBES HIRING THE CREW HE DESCRIBES,AND HIS 1ST LINE IS ACCURATE BUT THEN HE SAYS IT LOOKS GREAT--LOOKS GREAT FROM MY HOUSE TOO--WHEN YOURS LEAKS BECAUSE THE IMPORTANT STUFF MAY HAVE BEEN SKIMPED ON,AND AMERICANS WHO PAY INTO THE SYSTEM,AND HAVE THE PROPER CREDENTIALS ARE SCREWED OVER BY PEOPLE WHO DON`T FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES OR PAY THEIR DUES TO THE AMERICAN SYSTEM---ED IS 100% RIGHT ON THIS--FOOLISHNESS IS IT`S OWN REWARD
__________________
"If it`s worth doing,It`s worth doing right!!"

www.ADVANCEDROOFINGNEWYORK.com
the roofing god is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2007, 09:10 PM   #40
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,384
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


After reading that one, I am just imagining all sorts of things from the post you deleted.

By the way, do you know if I am correct about the Amish not having to pay taxes?

I ask this, because when I used to travel around the Mid-West doing Duro-Last roofs on restaurants years ago, many Wisconsin Contractors found them to be the bane of the contracting business, because they were capable of setting the bar so low, due to that tax issue.

Ed
Ed the Roofer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2007, 09:14 PM   #41
Member
 
the roofing god's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Pomona,New York,10970
Posts: 877
Rewards Points: 500
Send a message via MSN to the roofing god
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


around here it`s the hasidem al claiming to be rabbi`s and getting the religious exclusion,sounds like the same thing to me
__________________
"If it`s worth doing,It`s worth doing right!!"

www.ADVANCEDROOFINGNEWYORK.com
the roofing god is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2007, 10:27 PM   #42
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,384
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


Amish: We're Already In Good Hands!

Religious Group Objects To Being Forced To Buy Insurance


Although businessman Atlee Kaufman pays the state about $4,000 a year in workers' compensation premiums for his furniture parts store, he says he'll never make a claim. It's against his beliefs.

He and other members of the Amish religious group believe in taking care of one's own liabilities and that filing an insurance claim goes against Biblical principles of trusting in God.

"If we don't use it, why should we pay it?" asks Kaufman, 52, owner of 77 Coach Supply in Mount Hope, about 35 miles southeast of Akron.

Ohio lawmakers are finally listening. The state, like others with large Amish or Mennonite populations, is set to exempt members of religious sects from paying insurance premiums if it goes against their principles.

The Amish in Ohio, which number about 51,000, have sought the provision for at least a decade. It requires groups to have been a recognized religion since December 1950 and to have had a church program to cover members' insurance needs for "a substantial" number of years.

Both the state's House and the Senate have approved a bill with the new provision as part of the Bureau of Workers' Compensation two-year budget. Gov. Bob Taft is expected to sign it into law, said spokesman Orest Holubec.

Twenty-five of Kaufman's 28 employees at his 22-year-old business are Amish. He pays into a separate church aid fund to cover the cost of accidents, a practice followed by other Amish and Mennonite businesses.

The Amish and Mennonites both come from the Anabaptist religious tradition. The Amish dress simply, shun most technology and travel country roads in distinctive black buggies.

Mennonites often also dress simply but represent a broader range of beliefs. They are known for emphasizing a simple lifestyle and an opposition to war and, sometimes, military service.

Paul Gaus, a College of Wooster chemistry professor and author of three mystery novels about the Amish, said the Amish believe that taking out insurance "is really second-guessing God's will in your life."

"It's also regarded as a colossal waste of money," Gaus added. "These are very frugal people for the most part."

Other states with Amish or Mennonite populations vary in their practice.

Kentucky and Pennsylvania have similar exemption for employees of a "recognized religious sect." However, neither Michigan nor Indiana allow groups to seek such exemptions. Indiana lawmakers have struggled for years over whether to grant the exemption, said Sandy Fralich, a spokeswoman for the state Workers Compensation Board.

One issue "is the unfair advantage it gives the people that are exempt, because they're competing with people who have to buy insurance," Fralich said. "The other issue is secular versus non-secular, with the government trying to regulate something with someone's religion."

Some Ohio contractors oppose the measure on the same grounds.

"This option for some contractors is unfair, and unconstitutional as a violation of separation of church and state," Luther Liggett, an attorney representing the National Electrical Contractors' Association, said in a letter to the Senate Insurance Committee.

Contractors raised the same concerns last year over a provision that would have exempted religious groups from a requirement that commercial tradespeople, such as electricians or plumbers, carry liability insurance. That legislation died in committee.

Andy Raber, a spokesman for the Amish in Ohio, said his community's businesses bear a number of costs that others don't, such as hiring drivers to take them to work sites.
Ed the Roofer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2007, 01:18 AM   #43
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Newtown, Ct
Posts: 425
Rewards Points: 250
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


Docfletcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2007, 02:28 AM   #44
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,384
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyboy View Post

commercial roofers don't like them because they can't compete with the price/quality ratio of everyone else, as they have less overhead.
Ditto on that Doc.

That was exactly my point.

What if I never had to use my liability or workers compensation insurance?

Shouldn't I then feel justified to say that I too do not want to be burdened with those expenses?

Also, I vehemently disagree with the comparison that I, as a professional contractor, could not compete on the "Quality" issue.

Ed
Ed the Roofer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2007, 08:14 AM   #45
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 21
Rewards Points: 10
Default

First new roof ... totally confused


Wow, has this ever veered way off topic!

Back to the last question, does Tamko offer any extended warranty options similar to the Cetrainteed 5-star surestart plan?

Thanks!

Advertisement

adawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Please help with the design of this roof jaymay75 Building & Construction 1 05-06-2008 10:44 AM
Flat roof confused! Shoud i be removing old tar .. switchex Roofing/Siding 4 01-31-2007 01:03 PM
Flat roof - Rolled? - leaks Advice? JJ2001 Roofing/Siding 4 11-19-2006 07:17 AM
Venting a shed roof with 2/12 slope atulc Roofing/Siding 5 08-25-2006 08:28 AM
Need Help on the Flat Roof and more... MelindaA Roofing/Siding 12 12-21-2005 11:12 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts