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Old 04-18-2011, 08:26 AM   #16
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(Your right sly what on earth was I thinking ? I must have struck a nerve with you,,,,oopsy daisy,,,my fault.)

LOL, no nerve struck, just stating facts dude.

(Roofing is so easy.Why didn't I think of that? I know some educated idiots,and they figured out the laws of gravity,,,after they hit the ground a few times it became obvious.)

I have known a few of these roofers.

(This trade is full of people who have snips,screw guns,drills and all tools needed to install metal,shingles and other roof systems.But majority of the ones that are hourly or by the day,1.)Don't pay taxes,,,2.)Are not insured...(Bonded,GL,WC),,,,3.)Licensed.You cannot say too much for me to think any different.Many also have substance and alcohol dependancies.)

Your right, but, the majority of the contractors who drive brand new trucks/vans also cheat the system by working any where from a handful to a couple dozen workers full time but treat each one (or most) as a sub, thus they are cheating on taxes, insurances, benefits, etc., as well.
The trades are full of scabs at both the mom&pop and the multi-crew level contractors.

(When I contract a job I want to be paid as a contractor.If I wanted to be hourly or by the day I would not waste my time being a contractor I would be a sub.Or be the "Guy who does work around the area")

I'm a sub but I never work per hour, I will on occasion work T&M,
which is kind of the same thing.

(I understand the poster has knowledge and that is great,,,,The question was if $2000 was too much to pay for the metal to be installed.I think its completely fair.You even stated that you earn around $1000 per day,,,,so if the job took 2 days,,,then there is your $2000.)

Yes, that was the question.

(Besides about everything I said was begun or ended with the comment IMO or IMHO,,,,I am absolutely entitled to my opinion.You nor anyone else can take that away .I am not trying to battle with you or debate with you because I have much more important things to do.)

Agreed.
I wasn't trying to take your opinion away, I just disagreed with your opinion.

(I feel roofing is a trade.This trade is my passion and my life.I love it.I love everything about it.I feel it is demanding mentally and physically.)

Agreed.

(Amputation isn't rocket science either.If you have ever skinned a deer,a fish or any other animal then as long as you have a sharp knife,have a little common sense,know the basic fundamentals of using a hand saw or a reciprocate saw,ever took wood working in a high school shop class and know how to cap off a waterline you should be good to go.)

If you say so.

(I think alot of roofing and sorry I have more thought and pride with roofing than to make a degrading comment that its not rocket science.)

It was not a degrading comment, it was a factual statement.

It takes years to become a skilled roofer (repetition).
I take pride in my work and have since I started in 1979.
I have never been sued by an home owner, contractor or builder.
I never had to sue anyone, because I never had anyone refuse to pay me.
I have never had an insurance claim (liability or comp) even when I was a contractor running multiple crews in the 90's.

I love my Trade of Choice.

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Old 04-18-2011, 09:24 PM   #17
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i don't know, the more i read, the more i flet bad for the guy asking the question to begin with, he just wanted to know if it was a "fair price", not to mention the specifics of what the estimator did with "changing his price" it also would have led me to believe that the original estimate was too low and the roof estimate not in the right proportion. believe me, i believe in hiring a professional and respect it even more after joining this site, there is always good, sound advice. i just feel like the poor guy asking a simple question was being targetted as a cheapskate of something.... let it be........
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What is the equipment the roofer has? - Just a ladder and a strong back?

You are smart not getting on the roof even if your are experienced and confident. I came off a low roof and ended up with 2 months in the hospital, a months of out patient physical therapy, a leg 1" shorter than the other (special shoes), a cane (after the walker and crutches) and another leg (knee, hip) distorted and not being able to sleep even if I was able to do what I want to do and cannot do now. - The medical bills were $170,000+, but I had good insurance since I was doing an inspection for a friend (free) and not even installing.

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Yep those were the thoughts that go through my mind every time I contemplate anything that involves getting on the roof. I don't mind DIY when when it's reasonably safe but I sonsider the money paid to the roofers well spent.

As Nap suggested, get several estimates then you know whether or not the first one is fair.
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i don't know, the more i read, the more i flet bad for the guy asking the question to begin with, he just wanted to know if it was a "fair price", not to mention the specifics of what the estimator did with "changing his price" it also would have led me to believe that the original estimate was too low and the roof estimate not in the right proportion. believe me, i believe in hiring a professional and respect it even more after joining this site, there is always good, sound advice. i just feel like the poor guy asking a simple question was being targetted as a cheapskate of something.... let it be........
I apologize for my part in taking the post off topic.
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Yep those were the thoughts that go through my mind every time I contemplate anything that involves getting on the roof. I don't mind DIY when when it's reasonably safe but I sonsider the money paid to the roofers well spent.

As Nap suggested, get several estimates then you know whether or not the first one is fair.
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I apologize for my part in taking the post off topic.
I don't think this thread went off topic, at least by very far. The OP ended his post with:

I got one quote already of $2,000, which I feel is pretty high.

The implication was that the quote was too high. Several of us didn't think so and went forward to explain his/her position. Mostly valuable info, IMHO.

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i don't know, the more i read, the more i flet bad for the guy asking the question to begin with, he just wanted to know if it was a "fair price", not to mention the specifics of what the estimator did with "changing his price" it also would have led me to believe that the original estimate was too low and the roof estimate not in the right proportion. believe me, i believe in hiring a professional and respect it even more after joining this site, there is always good, sound advice. i just feel like the poor guy asking a simple question was being targetted as a cheapskate of something.... let it be........
Come on Brenda,,,,,,NO ONE was degrading or humiliating the OP's post.IMHO a STUPID question is one thats NOT asked.I have nothing against the OP.,sh**,I have nothing against Sly,,,He is a GREAT competent ROOFER who runs a TIGHT ship.


If you have spent anytime on this site you will find that disagreements arise,,,,,regardless of the POST.

The OP obviously was not offended by my post.This is construction,,,,This is roofing.


Thank You,,,SEE YOU for coming to a professionals defense.I have NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR SLY,,,,Always Have and ALWAYS WILL.,,I first met Sly fox Via the INTERNET since 2002,,,,,,almost 12 YEARS,,,Grumpy is right there with the Fox...

Everyone disagrees,and it happens on forums,,,,,But WE act like Pro's and kiss and make up so to speak(Sly forget about it NO KISSES FROM ME) and we continue to help DIY'rs and homeowners.IMHO we all came to the same conclusion,,,$2000 is plenty and a pro should install the roof system,,,,,,PERIOD.

Brenda,I have nothing but respect for you,,,,no I have never met you but respect due to you.No disrespect was intended,,you are entitled and thats that.

JIMF,MJW,SEEYOU and SlyFox,,,THANK YOU,,,you are true TRADESMAN IMHPO.,,,,Thanks

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I first met Sly fox Via the INTERNET since 2002,,,,,,almost 12 YEARS,


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(IMHO we all came to the same conclusion,,,$2000 is plenty and a pro should install the roof system,,,,,,PERIOD.)

Yes we can agree to disagree with out being/becoming enemies.


I can't agree if $2000.00 is the right price or not because I don't know all the details of the roof the poster is installing, I just gave a bottom price of what I would charge for the basics.

I do not agree the roof should be installed by a pro, only.
The way I saw it was if he was capable of building the structure then he most likely is capable of roofing it.

Not trying to be argumentative, just making my thoughts clear is all.


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This is why I do not get involved with projects where someone else is suplying the materials... they just want cheap and I aint cheap!


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I first met Sly fox Via the INTERNET since 2002,,,,,,almost 12 YEARS,


I think you forgot to carry the 7..........

Geeeez,I am a Goober,,,,,Hahahaha Yes,I make errors.I am silly,,,,I was just amped on this post,,But it happens.I am happy I have a CPA,,,cuz I would be in some serious trouble.Hahahaha
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Not trying to be argumentative, just making my thoughts clear is all.

No worries here Sly,,,,,,,everyday is a new day.Just imagine how boring it would be if everyone thought the same.,Hahahaha,,,,,,,,,,,respect to you,,,no worries.

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