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Old 06-24-2012, 08:09 AM   #1
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roofer was suppose to use 6 nails per shingle. He use five with a 16-21 inch gap between the forth and fifth nail. We gave him the opportunity to add more nails but he waited a week and the self sealing tabs glued down the roof. It is a $6,300 job we still owe him $5,300. Should we demand he redo the roof before paying him the balance. We did not expect the guy we contacted with to sub our job out to another contractor who used undocumented workers to our roof job. They also did this rip down job on a day when rain was eminent at lightning speed.

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Who specified to use 6 nails?

What is the pitch of the roof?

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roofer was suppose to use 6 nails per shingle. He use five with a 16-21 inch gap between the forth and fifth nail. We gave him the opportunity to add more nails but he waited a week and the self sealing tabs glued down the roof. It is a $6,300 job we still owe him $5,300. Should we demand he redo the roof before paying him the balance. We did not expect the guy we contacted with to sub our job out to another contractor who used undocumented workers to our roof job. They also did this rip down job on a day when rain was eminent at lightning speed.
Refuse to pay him and I will guarantee you will have a lien placed on your house. On a $6,300 job he didn't make much to start with, the materials was the bulk of the cost. Why don't you try to roof as hot as it is now.
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Why the 6 nails, is this a high wind area?
If not then 5 is enough, for a normal install only 4 are required.
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roofer was suppose to use 6 nails per shingle. He use five with a 16-21 inch gap between the forth and fifth nail. We gave him the opportunity to add more nails but he waited a week and the self sealing tabs glued down the roof. It is a $6,300 job we still owe him $5,300. Should we demand he redo the roof before paying him the balance. We did not expect the guy we contacted with to sub our job out to another contractor who used undocumented workers to our roof job. They also did this rip down job on a day when rain was eminent at lightning speed.
easy check with the code and see what it is sopose to be ?? If more than make him put more nail's if not that pay him. Have it inspected ?? that will let both of you know .
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Why don't you try to roof as hot as it is now.
what does that mean ?
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16'' to 21'' between nails?? More important.. What kind of shingle do you have?
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Barrington Project House on TOH did a lab test on 4 vs 6 nails per shingle. 4 will hold down in 50MPH then 6 will hold 100MPH wind.6 nails go just up from the slits on the each shingle 1-2-2-1. and the lenght of the nail has to be matched to the type of shingle thickness
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Still doesn't explain how there is 16'' to 21'' between the 4rth and 5th nail on a standard 36'' shingle.. Especially since OP is claiming they did use 5 nails?
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To answer your original question.

How will the court system there interpret your signed contract? I guess a lawyer would be a good place to start, followed up by a judge.
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boy i don't know. Your claiming breach of contract. Contract said 6 he only installed 5.... 5 nails are sufficient. I think the court would give him something. What is small claims limit in your state? I think the court would award him 4000 dollars. He is definitely getting something for the roof. You better decide what your going to do. He slaps a lien he is now in the driver seat. You hit him with small claims lawsuit your in driver seat he can't slap a lien. I personally think 5 is OK. But i do understand your dilemma. For a house roof. You should have went with a guy who was manufacture certified for the shingles you wanted to use. Example certain teed master certified installer.

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roofer was suppose to use 6 nails per shingle. He use five with a 16-21 inch gap between the forth and fifth nail. We gave him the opportunity to add more nails but he waited a week and the self sealing tabs glued down the roof. It is a $6,300 job we still owe him $5,300. Should we demand he redo the roof before paying him the balance. We did not expect the guy we contacted with to sub our job out to another contractor who used undocumented workers to our roof job. They also did this rip down job on a day when rain was eminent at lightning speed.
OK, first are you in a high wind prone zone? i.e. can have sustained gusts over 100 MPH. If not don't worry. Second does your roof leak? If the answer is No Don't worry about it. Third if he installed according to Manufacturs recomend best practices. you don't have a leg to stand on. And last Did you check his workers for their green cards? If not your Assuming and putting your nose were it does not belong.
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Barrington Project House on TOH did a lab test on 4 vs 6 nails per shingle. 4 will hold down in 50MPH then 6 will hold 100MPH wind.6 nails go just up from the slits on the each shingle 1-2-2-1. and the lenght of the nail has to be matched to the type of shingle thickness
Just adding a nail above another nail over the key does no good. The nails are to spaced about 1" to each side of the key way. If wind ever put pressure on the one above another one, it would be too late to have any holding power. The damage is already done.
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Never did find out what type of shingle it even is. I'm assuming it's a laminate if the nailing pattern is so wonky.
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doesn't have to be a high wind area,could be a steep slope or mansard install calls for 6 nails on some shingles,some use 7-9

guy had a contract calling for 6 nails how is 5 good enough

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