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Old 01-06-2013, 04:59 PM   #31
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Is that an average of $20,000 a day for the year ?

Ask her what her average net take home was for the last two years---I bet you would have to think hard about trading jobs.
My fault Mike,,,I danced around the question.She has been doing this for 8 years and since that time she says she started around $300,000 and now she is very modest and tells my wife she does not make over 2 million per year.So her and her husband have about a 3-4 million dollar income.

If you met them you would never think they were that well off.That is if they didn't drive there or you were not at their home.Really good hard working people who made good decisions and sticking with them while early in life.

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In Real Estate, 10% of the Agents do 90% of the business. In other words you get a few top producers and the everybody else carves out a living with the leftovers.

Its actually harder to sell a modest 250k-450k home then it is to sell a multi million dollar one. Clients with limited funds are way more careful and the difference of 5 or 15 could be a deal breaker. Not so much with rich folks.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not begrudging anyone else's success, but your SIL is definitely the exception. Still, her alone expenses are probably more than what most of us earn.
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UNCLE!! UNCLE!!! UNCLE!!! No, seriously though, thanks for all the replies. I guess there's more to it than I thought. I'm more of a do-it-yourselfer, so I'm not used to hiring people to do work on my house. It just seemed a little steep to me.

Anyway, I bought the three shingles at Home Depot. They were three-tab, asphalt shingles. Oh, and FYI, my house is standard, two-story colonial. I still wish I wasn't afraid of heights... I could have saved myself $175.

Thanks for the replies. At least I feel a little better now.

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You got a hell of a deal. I would have charged you $450.00 at least, but then I would have been there about an hour, because there is no way to do that right in ten minutes. you have to take off about 6 shingles to replace 1, then put them back and bib the holes.
In their haste to come to the support of the roofer, this is the key piece that everyone is overlooking. $175 is not a problem at all. 10 minutes is the problem. (Although the OP might be exaggerating here.) To replace 3 shingles takes a good bit of removing, replacing, caulking, etc. Depending on the 3, you might have to remove 10 and put it all back together
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Funny thread..

I think the natural reaction is to think things ought to be cheaper than they are. All most people think is the guy just has a ladder and a hammer and some shingles, and he's rolling around everyplace making $175/hr. Unfortunately like others said, they have a lot of other costs. Now, that's not to say that tradesmen don't make a good living, especially if you run your own business.. I have a friend that's a plumber that does very well, but he's fast/efficient/reliable (not the norm for most contractors).

I think the reality also is that the "go to college" movement has made these jobs more profitable, as people seem to think these sort of jobs are "beneath" them. The good/reliable tradesmen are perhaps less common than years ago (general knowledge I think was also more common 50 yrs ago compared to today) which allows them to make more money. My dad and grandfather built their house not too long after they came to the US, and that wasn't very uncommon back then.. not so much these days. Perhaps we'll have a mean reversion though with a lot of people coming to realize that their liberal arts degree won't pay the bills.

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Hey, Take it easy on the Liberal Arts Guys. I have a liberal arts degree, and have been in the construction trades my whole life, because I could not stand to be inside too long, or stay in one place when there was so much to learn in this big ole world.

There is nothing wrong with being a well read mechanic my friend. The education you get working in many different types of factories and environments is priceless, all you have to do is be interested in what other people do, and they are always happy to give you the grand tour.

The real pros that you encounter in these forums are very well read in their chosen profession. Yes there are hacks, and you can tell who they are straightaway. As Jeff caught what I previously said, in order to remove one broken shingle you have to remove quite a few because the nails go through several shingles to catch the headlap below. It can be done half assed, but then so can anything.
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I am starting to see the shift happening. For a long time people looked at a blue collar worker as a second class citizen. Someone that was not up to par with the real world. Somehow a blue collar worker had failed on some level. That is a big generalization and i hope no body takes offense here. People are starting to look at the blue collar worker as someone that is working and making money. A successful person with useful skills. It is about time tradesmen get the respect for the difficult jobs they do.
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I had a homeowner who kept having blow offs.Every storm we had I knew he was for sure to call.It was one here after a storm,,2 there after a storm,.,3 there after a storm,,So I averaged $350 per call.I soon lowered my price for the simple fact he was a repeat customer.I even went so far as to leave a square of shingles and got the combination to his out building security system where the shingles are.That makes it simple for me to perform the repair while he is at work since he works very long hours and has a very busy schedule.

So up the ladder I would go with my sponges in tow because it was a 10/12,,,10 minutes later I was done.And wouldn't you know it,.,the next severe storm my shingles were still fastened as I left them,.,but more were missing.

I said "Ray" when are you gonna let me put a roof on this house.,he said Jim you are,.,its just taking a while.
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Gives a whole new meaning to Unit Price. I guess your add should have said "One Shingle at a Time"
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I think the most important part of a transaction is when both sides leave feeling they have gained something.

For the guy who puts on 3 shingles in 10 minutes or the guy who takes 30 minutes.It all comes down to "IF" the installation is correct.
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Hey, Take it easy on the Liberal Arts Guys. I have a liberal arts degree, and have been in the construction trades my whole life, because I could not stand to be inside too long, or stay in one place when there was so much to learn in this big ole world.

There is nothing wrong with being a well read mechanic my friend. The education you get working in many different types of factories and environments is priceless, all you have to do is be interested in what other people do, and they are always happy to give you the grand tour. .
Jagans,

Didn't mean to offend anyone, and I agree there is nothing wrong with a liberal arts degree *as long as you are realistic!* That last part is crucial. There are many people who have their head in the clouds rather than reality, and it sounds like you're not that person. I was referring to the stereotypical liberal arts major these days that thinks they're going to rack up all this student loan debt and be fine because they'll be some rich artist. Slim chance..

Also, while getting a 4 yr degree from college may help some in the trades, it's definitely not necessary. Not picking on anyone, just too many people are unrealistic these days. Btw, this is coming from someone that could have gone into music, but opted not to because I didn't want to be that starving artist.
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I am starting to see the shift happening. For a long time people looked at a blue collar worker as a second class citizen. Someone that was not up to par with the real world. Somehow a blue collar worker had failed on some level. That is a big generalization and i hope no body takes offense here. People are starting to look at the blue collar worker as someone that is working and making money. A successful person with useful skills. It is about time tradesmen get the respect for the difficult jobs they do.
Ya, it's truly a shame that people see "blue collar" workers this way. It's funny though, because many "blue collar" workers make more $ than the 9-5 wage slaves. When I took a basic home DIY electrical class given by the county during my college days, the electrician teaching the class was telling me I could be a promising electrician.. Looking back maybe I should've gone that route.. In all seriousness though, given today's job environment, if my kids are unsure about college, going into a trade is a great alternative (something that's overlooked these days).
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To be honest with you, I am 66 years old, and I have never viewed tradesman like Plumbers, Electricians, mechanics and HVAC people with the utmost respect. Of course I really liked Redd Foxx, especially when he made statements like "College, heh, I didnt go, I couldnt see where knowing when George Washington crossed the Delaware was going to help you in a Brick Fight"

The really good thing about College is that it teaches you to think outside the box, or to come at something from a different angle.

And in response to hurting my feelings, if you think that anything said on these forums can bother a 66 year old Vietnam Veteran from NJ who has spent the last 35 years in Commercial Roofing, You have got to be kidding. I have Rhino skin, my friend.

No offense taken at all, I pretty much agree with everything you say.
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To be honest with you, I am 66 years old, and I have never viewed tradesman like Plumbers, Electricians, mechanics and HVAC people with the utmost respect. Of course I really liked Redd Foxx, especially when he made statements like "College, heh, I didnt go, I couldnt see where knowing when George Washington crossed the Delaware was going to help you in a Brick Fight"

The really good thing about College is that it teaches you to think outside the box, or to come at something from a different angle.

And in response to hurting my feelings, if you think that anything said on these forums can bother a 66 year old Vietnam Veteran from NJ who has spent the last 35 years in Commercial Roofing, You have got to be kidding. I have Rhino skin, my friend.

No offense taken at all, I pretty much agree with everything you say.
NJ and a roofer...

There went the neighborhood.
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AMEN! Sidebar: When I first came to MD I worked for an engineering firm called A-Tec. We had the contract with Dow to inspect all of their inverted roofs. My Name is Jim Agans.

A Roofer from NJ was installing a new inverted roof on the FAA building in DC.

The ground man called the foreman on the roof and said "Theres a Jim Agans here says he has to do an inspection on the roof"

A couple seconds later comes back the response " What the hell does a JAMAICAN want with my roof"

Im still laughing after 25 years.

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