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Old 12-19-2011, 05:52 PM   #16
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Is it common for roofers to NOT slice underlayment on a ridge vent before installing?


MJ and OnB,
you're both right and make valid points. The homeowner obviously didn't hire a legit roofer. Surprises me that the GC didn't take care of providing a roofer. Why would the HO hire him and he doesn't take care of a simple but important part of the job? I would not hold him responsible in this case though, since he relinquished the responsibility to the HO. If the HO wanted to hire their own roofer, I just have to wonder why. Did they think they would save money and find somebody cheaper? If they did, sounds like they got what they paid for.
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:17 PM   #17
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I'm assuming the GC put the felt on (something the roofer would normally do) because he was either instructed to by the HO, or because he wanted to "seal" up the house due to weather or not knowing when the roofer would be there. In either case, the roofer could be liable for damages occured. However,without a written contract with cutting the felt detailed, you really don't have legal recourse. Even if you could prove the roofer did or did not do something to cause damage, the monetary value wouldn't be worth the time or trouble. Even in small claims court, they would stiff you on any money awarded.
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I hate to open another can of worms, but I guess it ought to asked now instead of later.
Did the GC damage the bug screen any? Did they even install the bug screen?
I didn't notice a bug screen when my head was up in the attic space while the GC was slicing underlayment that had drops of condensation on the inside. Hmmmm, bug screen -- I'll have to check that out tomorrow. I certainly could feel the air move as the holes were made.
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MJ and OnB,
The homeowner obviously didn't hire a legit roofer. Surprises me that the GC didn't take care of providing a roofer.
This roofer was certainly legit and had a good reputation. Our GC works a bit differently -- he has a circle of contractors that he recommends and we hire and pay the concrete guy, electrician, plumber, etc on our own. Certainly our GC and all other construction folks have been absolutely fabulous to work with and have been integrating well --- except for this little mishap.

I just found out this roofer has an ex-partner who is his ex exactly because of this type of work. Unfortunately they separated a couple years ago and both go by the same name !#$!@#$@!!! This sloppy roofer covers the VT area with the business name and the other guy distinguishes himself as the New Hampshire guy w/ the same business name. Confusing, aye?

Lesson learned -- THANKS for your time and your posts!!
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When the roofer installed the ridge vent, it made the roofer responsible.
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When the roofer installed the ridge vent, it made the roofer responsible.
Except there is no indication from the OP that a vented ridge assembly was even installed. There is a difference. Just because the ridge sheeting was cut doesn't matter much if a vented ridge assy wasn't used. Bare minimum it would be a bug screen fastened over the ridge opening and a loose seal on the ridge of the metal roof.
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:38 PM   #22
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Ah, communication.

While I have great regard for Tinner's expertise, relying on "should have known" is a recipe for disaster ... or attic condensation.

A clear, complete, written scope of work ... reviewed with the crew and crew leader every morning of the install, if necessary, is the only way to prevent problems and miscommunication.

As a homeowner, you must demand a complete scope in writing, and then review it and ask questions.

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Except there is no indication from the OP that a vented ridge assembly was even installed. There is a difference. Just because the ridge sheeting was cut doesn't matter much if a vented ridge assy wasn't used. Bare minimum it would be a bug screen fastened over the ridge opening and a loose seal on the ridge of the metal roof.
My only question to the roof contractor would be how was he venting the attic, as roof contractors that is a very important piece of the puzzle.

It may not be the roof contractors legal responsabilty if there was no ridge vent installed or contracted but it was his mistake, if it was not installed or contracted.

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It may not be the roof contractors legal responsabilty if there was no ridge vent installed or contracted ...
But there was. From the OP:

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My husband and I hired the roofers directly (not sub-contracted by GC). A beautiful looking standing seam metal roof was put on our roof.

Turns out a year later, we have attic condensation issues. After poking around a bit, we found that the underlayment wasn't sliced before the metal roof and ridge vent cap was put into place.
What kind of roofer installs a ridge vent that doesn't actually, you know, vent???

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Well, More Power, it might have to do with the "ridge vent cap" quote from the homeowner.

A standing seam roof has a cap piece, but the cap piece itself is not necessarily a ridge vent. It is a cap. You can install a cap without installing a vent system. A lot of metal roofing is installed without the ridge vent ... not that it's right, just that it happens. With some manufacturers, there is a foam-type piece that goes underneath it (bug screen), and over the slot cut in the decking. That system together makes the "ridge vent".

If the ridge vent expectation wasn't clear to the contractor, and it didn't make the "contract" then the right parts didn't get ordered by the expediter, and it wasn't on the crew's work order, and everybody follows orders and goes home for the day and the ridge vent doesn't get installed. That's how these things happen. It's not that a guy is a schmuck for saying "it's not in my contract" .. it's that that's what the contract is for -- laying out in black and white what the trade is agreeing to do for how much. The contract's just printed on paper ... if you need another page so that all your expectations are in writing -- add a page!

That's also the problem with having a hundred trades running around without a true "GC" -- it's an endless game of finger pointing. If there had been one prime contract, it would have been on the GC period end of story.

Still, if this is the only "gotcha" in a home addition of this size done without a full GC, they probably still saved money over a full GC's charge on the job. In this case the "GC" is really just a guy that has handled a few -- but not all -- trades, and the homeowner is the real GC.

Of course, all of that is moot if they actually ordered and installed the correct parts without cutting back the ridge ... which I have seen done.

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No MorePower! The OP said the sheeting was spaced for a ridge vent (framing), not the roof ridge cap. A vented-ridge assembly is part of the roofing. Two different things. Every major mfr has a vented and a non-vented ridge assembly. If there is no venting then cutting the underlayment doesn't serve much of a purpose other than allowing bugs easier access to inside spaces.
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Luckily we haven't finished the interior: the sheetrock closing off that attic space hasn't been taped yet. So, my contractor came back to fix the problem by removing sheetrock sections, getting up in there and slicing it open, then reapplying the sheetrock. I don't want to pay for that work to FIX said problem so I'm wondering for you all where typically does that responsibility lie? With me, the homeowner who hired contractor/roofer?

The question I have is, why is there no attic access?

Are you going to have to have someone open the sheet-rock every time you need to get up there?

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Heres the deal. I used to be a roofer. If i put a ridge vent on and there was no place for the air to flow I would ask myself why am i even putting a vent on. So the roofers are to blame. A little common sense goes a long way.
That would be like putting up a curtain on a wall with no window. Would not make sense.
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I dont know what kind of a roofer would not cut the ridge before putting on ridge vent...roofers fault...
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"While I have great regard for Tinner's expertise, relying on "should have known" is a recipe for disaster ... or attic condensation."
I tend to elide over a lot of the 'obvious' things when typing. Wording of contract, understanding each other's intent, etc. I tend to jump straight to the summary, if you know what I mean. Just seeing the flat ridge would have made me get into specifics. Just bidding the job would have made me inquire about it, etc, and get specific with the client.

Like you say, it's all about communication. There was a lack in this case, somewhere.

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