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Old 12-18-2012, 10:33 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by gurn View Post
Rats, that's what I thought...
I already stopped the roof once because the pitch was wrong and it didn't
look anything like the architect drew..
It's a bastard roof and they didn't seem to know how to build it

Is this a safety issue or just "different"

How do I let my contractor know that I am not happy without seeming like I am double checking everything he does (he doesn't seem concerned)

Will it be caught on the framing inspection???

Hell yes.....You can't load a beam on the tip like that. Look at the stuff Joe sent you...

Originally Posted by gurn View Post
Thanks for the replies so far.

Here's what the plans show.

The picture of the rafters that I originally took is taken from the side window shown in the plans...

I notice as the roof is being built, that the roof line will intersect with the window and the window will either need to be narrower or higher than the plans call for.

I realize that this is renovation, not new construction, but do I have a reasonable expectation that the addition should be built according to the plans? They were drawn off of the original blueprints to the house, so they should be correct.

How do I fix this??
Call the architect? Get an engineer? Call a halt to construction?

How would you guys handle it??
2 of the above 3....stop everything....hopefully you have not paid for this part.....if so, cancel the check.....if you were in California and the guy did not have a contractors would not have to pay him....

You might need your architect to talk to the sub.....which might be a waste of time....I bet the sub will disapear into the wind when you tell him to stop work.

30' Versilams? Wow....there is some big bucks going down the drain....I don't know of any way to salvage what is there. I didn't realize you could get them over 30'.....which is what you will need....looks like your about 2' short.


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Old 12-19-2012, 12:23 AM   #17
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:13 AM   #18
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So what was the outcome here?
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:19 AM   #19
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Holy crap,,,,,That is a serious mess.I don't know where to start,,,,I would put a stop order on this project and call for an inspection.That is a dangerous mess.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:40 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by sublime2 View Post
So what was the outcome here?
Well....the OP has not been here since the 19th......

This is one of those where I think we would all like to know the outcome....
Even if you are on the right track, you will still get run over if you just sit there.

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How would you like to be called in to fix that. I would call my tree trimming buddy with the bucket truck and have him just drop the whole structure. How would a crew take something like that down?
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Are your plans stamped by an Architect and Structural PE licensed in your state? All Architectural firms have PE on staff for structural issues. Are your plans stamped, and signed over stamp?

Did your contractor build your project as drawn?

I really dont get your going to a forum for speculation, instead of your design professional for answers and haven't they been to the site to check the contractors work?

What about your building inspector? What has he said?

Way to much BS here for anyone with a modicum of common sense.
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This is just a speculation, but can that roof be saved? There is a load bearing wall in the middle. In the plan, it looks like one. Although ridge beam is not in the plan, the middle wall does a lot for that span. Although with the middle wall, why call for engineered rafter at 16" oc?
The plan seems to specify the birds mouth on the wall, but photo shows rafter sitting on what looks like ceiling joists. But if this can be looked at like inward cantilever, wouldn't it make sense to slip 2x12 under the rafter, then tie the load to the wall with cross brace from ceiling joist to the wall stud, and save what's there?
Again, I'm not looking to see if I can build a house this way. Just thought it is an interesting case (I'm sure the OP feels differently).
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Old 01-01-2013, 01:38 PM   #24
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I bet the guy either ordered the Versa lams to short to begin with, thus trying to get away with a different pitch, or just screwed up on the pitch to begin with.
Either way he ended up with material that was to short and was just trying to make it work, which it won’t.
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For anyone reading that doesn't know; heel or toe bearing rafters, the heel has to land on the wall or be supported in a hanger; pp.2- and page 8, "B", "C" or "D" for positive ties;

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Old 01-02-2013, 11:49 PM   #26
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Easiest way to remedy the situation get the local building inspector out. This way you don't have to get confrontational. Once he says NOWAY. The ball is back in the builders court.
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Originally Posted by GBR in WA View Post
Good lord, that is freakin scary. I could be wrong, but I think those have effectively been turned into 2x4s.

And page 2 of that pdf shows the exact situation. But the document doesn't seem to make a huge deal of it.

Bad not only in doing it, but thinking he will get away with it!

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Old 01-07-2013, 12:22 AM   #28
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Believe it or not this is the way a lot of houses were built back in the late 1700s and early 1800s. The level cut of the rafter did make full contact with the top of the ceiling joist but a lot of the houses were timber framed too. This was back when nails had very little holding power and the members of the house were built to hold the house together actually without nails.

For example the ceiling joists went from front wall to back wall and were notched to fit over the upper beam (plate) to hold the outside walls in place. The rafters were cut to fit right on top of the ceiling joists. Oh well, this doesn't solve this poor fellows problem but a good engineer or architect probably could come up with a solution.


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