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gurn 12-18-2012 05:50 PM

Can this be right?
 
I wonder if you guys can help.
This is a picture of the second attempt to build the roof on my new addition.
I found out through the grape vine that the subcontractors had little experience.

I am not a roofer, just a homeowner, but wondered if these roof trusses could possibly be right.

They are each about 30' long,...should all the weight rest on so little wood at the end of these versilams?

Or maybe this normal roof construction and I'm being paranoid

Thanks!

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/9553/img1708o.jpg

joecaption 12-18-2012 06:05 PM

I've never once seen framing done that way:eek:
Might want to down load this and look it over.
http://www.bc.com/wood/ewp/guides-re...AM-series.html

jagans 12-18-2012 06:10 PM

This is clearly wrong. Look at the bearing area

Windows on Wash 12-18-2012 06:17 PM

Why in the heck they did it that way is beyond me.

gurn 12-18-2012 06:37 PM

Rats, that's what I thought...
I already stopped the roof once because the pitch was wrong and it didn't
look anything like the architect drew..
It's a bastard roof and they didn't seem to know how to build it

Is this a safety issue or just "different"

How do I let my contractor know that I am not happy without seeming like I am double checking everything he does (he doesn't seem concerned)

Will it be caught on the framing inspection???

Argghhhh......

tinner666 12-18-2012 06:56 PM

What do the plans show?

BTW, that's just plain wrong. Insufficient sill, rafters on a line below the 'fascia'??. I see lots of issues there.

gurn 12-18-2012 07:35 PM

Thanks for the replies so far.

Here's what the plans show.

http://imageshack.us/a/img835/6645/img1712y.jpg

The picture of the rafters that I originally took is taken from the side window shown in the plans...

I notice as the roof is being built, that the roof line will intersect with the window and the window will either need to be narrower or higher than the plans call for.

I realize that this is renovation, not new construction, but do I have a reasonable expectation that the addition should be built according to the plans? They were drawn off of the original blueprints to the house, so they should be correct.


How do I fix this??
Call the architect? Get an engineer? Call a halt to construction?


How would you guys handle it??

joecaption 12-18-2012 07:42 PM

The architect should have been called, it's his insurance and licence on the line if this collapes.

tinner666 12-18-2012 08:28 PM

I see the plans call for a normal bird's mouth cut on the rafters, with the heels sitting on the sills. :eek:
Not too good if you ask me. What did they do, build the soffits first and try to work out to them?

tinner666 12-18-2012 08:30 PM

A window well can go there if the roof intersects with it. That should be done in copper for longevity purposes.

gurn 12-18-2012 08:35 PM

Is it safe as built?

Is it OK to accept or should/could I insist it be redone?

joecaption 12-18-2012 08:37 PM

Tomorrow just try take anything that's at least 2' long and lay it on the top of one of those Glue Lams.
Could be just the picture but it sure does not look like there's anyway anyones going to be able to lay the sheathing without it curling up on the lower edge.

ddawg16 12-18-2012 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinner666 (Post 1075649)
I see the plans call for a normal bird's mouth cut on the rafters, with the heels sitting on the sills. :eek:
Not too good if you ask me. What did they do, build the soffits first and try to work out to them?

^^this....

This is not the best example pics....but all I have with me right now...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ps8759d39b.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...0604-00115.jpg

If you look close, the birdsmouth that tin is talking about sits on the top plate. In my case, these are 2x8's....because I don't like large clunkly looking eaves....I cut the eave part down to about 6".

When you cut the heal for the birdsmouth, it just so happens that the corner of the heal on the inside is about 6" from the top of the beam....works out nicely.

In your case, the birdsmouth would actually drop down the side of the wall....it looks sort of like a hook.

I would stop all work....what he is doing is a total hack....I'm not a framing guy and even I can see that is all wrong...it would fail inspection so bad that I wouldn't be surprised if the inspector did a stop work until you got the architect out there.

Let me put it another way....you can plan on those rafters being tossed. Their too short....no way to make them work. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they bought them too short so they tried to make them work.

paintdrying 12-18-2012 09:58 PM

I must be missing something.. This makes absolutely no sense. This is so far off that I have to just not understand how this setup is working. This is now out of the area of construction and has entered an area of the law. first thing is everyone on this job needs to immediately turn in all their tools. Off that job, SOMEONE IS GOING TO SUSTAIN A LIFE THREATENING INJURY. Call the architect, call the inspector, call the police at this point.

funfool 12-18-2012 10:22 PM

Is so totally off the grid, is no sense asking what they are thinking.
Is time to ask a lawyer to get them off and out of the picture.
That will never work. and anyone that built that has no clue how to make it work.


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