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Old 09-15-2011, 07:19 PM   #16
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If you let them keep the 15 sq. I would think you have lost your mind.


Let's face it.,if all is true from your description then you have been hacked.


I would get my money back.,Make them pay for ANY and ALL damages.PERIOD.


I would send them a message LOUD & CLEAR.


You cannot perform workmanship like this and you cannot do business like this.

AND YOU SURE AS HELL NOT GOING TO DO THIS TO ME!!!!!!

Nothing makes me angry than to see this type of business being performed.,hell I won't even classify it as business.,these actions performed.

What really gets me pi**ed is when homeowners let them get away with it.


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Old 09-15-2011, 07:30 PM   #17
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If you let them keep the 15 sq. I would think you have lost your mind.


Let's face it.,if all is true from your description then you have been hacked.


I would get my money back.,Make them pay for ANY and ALL damages.PERIOD.


I would send them a message LOUD & CLEAR.


You cannot perform workmanship like this and you cannot do business like this.

AND YOU SURE AS HELL NOT GOING TO DO THIS TO ME!!!!!!

Nothing makes me angry than to see this type of business being performed.,hell I won't even classify it as business.,these actions performed.

What really gets me pi**ed is when homeowners let them get away with it.
I'm with you RM. I doubt he'll be able to get 15 square back if he's also getting all his money back too. He said the GC was reimbursing it.
Stay on them gary99.
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Who paid for the exta 15 squares?

All that counts is if he graciously pays you back all you paid, materials and labor.
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My bad I guess. I caught this; "I paid $7,000 up front. Total quote was $12,500 for 60 squares. I found out later (after asking a bunch of questions) they used 45 squares and took the 15 with them before I got home.

Contractor agreed to pay back the $7,000 plus extra water damage last week."

And missed the next sentence; "This week he doesn't think it has to be replaced. He has an inspector coming today. I already have an inspection report but am getting it expanded along with an opinion from my new contractor.
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Who paid for the extra 15 squares?

All that counts is if he graciously pays you back all you paid, materials and labor.
This reply isn't directed toward you or your reply AlanJ.

IMHPO.,The customer did.,,,Let me alter my initial reply a bit.IF they pay for all the additional interior damage.,any metal they jacked up and any other damages found then O.k let them scoot on the 15.

But what is a fair price for having to have your roof torn off again.,have additional interior damage and additional metal damage,being deceived and lied to about the square count.Then knowingly removing extra materials before the customer came home.

I just have a problem with people who jack up someones home and has an out because of slight previous damage.After a storm it is a pretty trying and difficult process for someone having to have all this work performed.

Add the frustration of trying to work and provide for their family,trying coordinate times for proposals,thinking of different materials and trying to choose the best that fits your needs.Worry is a pain in the butt.

After finally finding someone you feel a little relieved.,but you start the worry war again.Then everything positive fly's out the window.

Only to sustain additional damage.,finding a huge barrel of deception and con.,getting a pre school installation.,Then guess what.,.,you get to do it again.,Yee Haw.,
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Sorry for the confusion. I called him out on the 15 squares yesterday and told him I wanted them back and he said OK. Then I realized they would be dumped in the yard, not on a pallet and no means to get a refund. So I texted him to keep them and I want the $7,000 back.

When I first mentioned I was getting a new roof he was quick to offer to supply the shingles. Only later when I questioned him did he admit there were 15 left over. I now realize he knew all along there were 15 extra squares and he was trying to cut his losses.
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Gary, if you're printing this out to further your arguments, I'll give an honest opinion as a roofing contractor of 20+ years.

That roof is a disaster and needs to be replaced. It's unfixable. And yes, the GC should bear any costs incurred from leak damage caused by his crew including the flashing, and anything else that got damaged.
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Well, I'm lost.

First the Contractor bid 60 square, then it only took 45. Then we hear the ins. company only paid for 36 square...

You need a real contractor who can get the insurance company to pay the correct amount for the job. The Contractor should have an invoice for you to submit that is close to what the insurance paid minus your deductible that you pay him. Then the final check would be issued to pay the Contractor in full.

If the Contractor knows what the Ins. is estimating, things would be a lot smoother. Next time get a Contractor who does Roofing and not just a General Contractor using some lacky subs.
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That first pic is what mystifies me. How in the world did they get a partial reveal on some of those rows? It's as if there are ripples in the roof decking? They must have shingles going up and down in unbelievable ways.
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Well, I'm lost.

First the Contractor bid 60 square, then it only took 45. Then we hear the ins. company only paid for 36 square...

You need a real contractor who can get the insurance company to pay the correct amount for the job. The Contractor should have an invoice for you to submit that is close to what the insurance paid minus your deductible that you pay him. Then the final check would be issued to pay the Contractor in full.

If the Contractor knows what the Ins. is estimating, things would be a lot smoother. Next time get a Contractor who does Roofing and not just a General Contractor using some lacky subs.
The original adjuster used eagleview or whatever it is called and entered a low pitch while the pitch is 12/12. Hence the intial 36 sq est. When they adjusted for 12/12 they came back with 43.

Advice heeded at using a roofing contractor. We planned to upgrade the dormers, front door and replace some windows so we thought it may have been better get a GC to handle it all. My insurance will pay the GC overhead on thier part. The upgrades are of course on us..

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Got it.

Still trying to fathom how someone could do 45 square on a 12/12 pitch for $12K though. That's like 50/50 split for labor and material with no overhead or profit.

Last time we did that many square on a 7/12 pitch, the price was closer to $18K and that was a good price.

BTW, I agree with the others. It needs to be completely re-done. There is no way some of that work should be acceptable to anyone. Terrible Contracting and even worse work.

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That sort of hack job is why the good contractors will never be out of business! They get to redo the hacks work!
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Got it.

Still trying to fathom how someone could do 45 square on a 12/12 pitch for $12K though.
That's like 50/50 split for labor and material with no overhead or profit.

Last time we did that many square on a 7/12 pitch, the price was closer to $18K and that was a good price.

BTW, I agree with the others. It needs to be completely re-done. There is no way some of that work should be acceptable to anyone. Terrible Contracting and even worse work.
It doesn't look like they could do it for that price either.
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If you let them keep the 15 sq. I would think you have lost your mind.


Let's face it.,if all is true from your description then you have been hacked.


I would get my money back.,Make them pay for ANY and ALL damages.PERIOD.


I would send them a message LOUD & CLEAR.


You cannot perform workmanship like this and you cannot do business like this.

AND YOU SURE AS HELL NOT GOING TO DO THIS TO ME!!!!!!

Nothing makes me angry than to see this type of business being performed.,hell I won't even classify it as business.,these actions performed.

What really gets me pi**ed is when homeowners let them get away with it.
Well said.
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As a follow, the insurance company is paying their full estimate of $13,500 for 42.33 squares, tear off, steep charges, etc. They would not involved with any dispputes with the GC which is don't blame them.

The GC had an inspector look at the roof last week and he is waiting on that report. Regardless of what his inspector says I will pursure this in court if need be.

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