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Old 06-01-2013, 02:44 PM   #1
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I am new to the list and am in the processing of getting ready to paint my house. Upon cleaning out the gutters am seeing all this bare wood that looks very bad. Does this need to be replaced or can it be painted over? I have attached a pic of the roof edge in hopes somebody can advise on whether to replace or can it be salvaged. Bought this house about 5 years ago and the previous owner seems to have micky moused everything or just ignored items such as this. Appreciate any suggestions. We hope to be painting in a few weeks. We are doing this ourselves and are working on prep at this time.
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:26 PM   #2
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There's no fixing that one.
Gutters need to come off and all the wood replaced.
It needs to be primed and painted before installing including any cuts.
All cuts must end in the middle of the rafter.
Want to do this one time? Have someone install coil stock over the wood so it never needs painting again.

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Old 06-01-2013, 08:36 PM   #3
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Unless Im seeing things you have three roofs on your house, wood shakes, a shingle roof, and another shingle roof. The top shingle roof looks fairly recent. Your roofer should have informed you that you cannot do this, as it will add too much weight to your structure.

As to your fascia, it reached the end of its useful life a very long time ago.
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Am I counting that right? I am seeing six layers of shingles on that roof. Looks like a complete tear sheathing, rafter fix is in order. Wonder how they got that sixth layer to stay on so long.

As for the Fascia, only way to fix that, is pull the gutters off also, and fix any rotten wood while the sheathing is off the roof.
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Lots of layers...i thought it looked like 3 comps unless you have yet another layer hidden by the drip edge.

It need replacing not patching.

If the rest of the fascia boards look like that then i would check the roof condition...if it needs replacing then all the fascia can be done after all the layers are removed. If its just isolated to the area you took a pic of then just replace as needed.
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wow look at all the layers on shingles. Thats alot of weight
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Am I counting that right?
Every two layers on the eave is one roof. First is the starter, then the shingles. Still way too much. That looks like three layers of comp and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a wood shingle or even another comp underneath the edge metal.

As far as the fascia, it's pretty much beyond paint. I'd say jack the chimney cap up and put a new house underneath it.
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Holy poop, I can not believe I missed that one.
Someone was trying to "save" money when they redid the roof.
Wait until you see how much time and money you save now when it all has to come off.
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Hey at least they didn't just cut them back flush with the eaves and put some nice wide metal on there to hide them.
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Am I counting that right? I am seeing six layers of shingles on that roof. Looks like a complete tear sheathing, rafter fix is in order. Wonder how they got that sixth layer to stay on so long.

As for the Fascia, only way to fix that, is pull the gutters off also, and fix any rotten wood while the sheathing is off the roof.
Hey Greg.

ONB is correct, as usual, Two layers = 1 roof, you are seeing the starter course and 1st course. There are at least three roofs on there, plus the spaced sheathing which is probably under the shakes. Maybe thats what the lady with six layers is seeing.
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Prepare for some dump fees when you get ready to pull that roof.

As stated before, pull the gutters, remove, edge prime, replace, paint (easier to wrap), re-hang gutters (easier to put new and use a proper hidden hanger), repeat.

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There are some places around here that will recycle shingles. I assume they take it for free (I'm about to find that out on Monday). Tearing off is physically hard work, but not rocket science, so you get together with a few friends and you can do it. You can save a bit this way.

I agree, new fascia, probably new gutters, most likely some new decking will be required and a new roof. Eventually. If it doesn't leak, you can postpone it and do all those at once.
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Prepare for some dump fees when you get ready to pull that roof.

As stated before, pull the gutters, remove, edge prime, replace, paint (easier to wrap), re-hang gutters (easier to put new and use a proper hidden hanger), repeat.
Depends on your area and how much you dump at one time. Around here a resident can get away with making as many trips as they want if the load's under 500lbs (or your vehicle doesn't look like it's axles are dragging).

The two jobs don't have to be done together. You could replace those fascia boards independently of the roof. But the effort to rip off all those heavy shingles will make it pretty likely you'd damage the gutters. So it would probably be best to deal with both at the same time.

That and it really would be a good idea to have a gutter or other aluminum siding kind of company come out and put siding over the new wood once it's installed. Better to protect it from the start.

What you want to be careful about is not half-assing something on there now and causing water to get pulled behind the gutter. You want that existing drip edge to keep working. You could certainly waste the paint covering up that old wood, just don't interfere with the drip edge. But by the time you expend all the effort to pull the gutters you might as well go the next step and replace the boards instead of just painting them.

The house certainly deserves and end to the 'mickey mouse' treatment.
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OK, so recycling shingles here is definitely *not* free. One of the places was willing to take mine for free out of goodwill, but only because I have only minuscule amount. There were laughing their ass off when I opened the trunk of my Hyundai Accent and it was full of shingles.
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The dump fees I was referring to are from the contractor if they are doing the tear off.

At the end of the day, might be worthwhile to just rent a dumpster.

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