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Old 09-10-2011, 08:47 PM   #16
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Does the 1400 sq ft represent the sq ft of the house, or the roof? Putting architecturals over 3 tab is a bad idea in my book.

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Does the 1400 sq ft represent the sq ft of the house, or the roof? Putting architecturals over 3 tab is a bad idea in my book.
I don't remember the exact measurements but it is a 1000 sq. ft. house with a single car garage, and the roof has two valleys. The length of the two ridges are 30 ft. and 39 ft. and I think it is a 4 in 12 pitch.
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LMAO, going over an old roof is dumb, cheap and lazy, but that's just my opinion. Putting metal in a valley and then weaving over it seems like a waste of metal, again just me.

I hope you have it in you to tell the prospective buyers that "the brand new roof" your realtor is going to push has a layer of old crap roof underneath it.
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LMAO, going over an old roof is dumb, cheap and lazy, but that's just my opinion. Putting metal in a valley and then weaving over it seems like a waste of metal, again just me.

I hope you have it in you to tell the prospective buyers that "the brand new roof" your realtor is going to push has a layer of old crap roof underneath it.

You're right, that is YOUR opinion and I got as many answers in the other direction. About half of the people I talked to about it said they have done it and would do it again. The exsisting roof never leaked, and I have no reason to believe the new one will either, it just looked like crap. As for the valley metal I would have to agree, but when asked about it he said it was to make a smoother transition in the valley as there was of course a dip where the old metal is. It also got 36" rolled roofing in the valleys.
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Friends of the family own a roofing company and agree, they prefer installing arch over 3 tab and in many cases will offer a small discount on install to encourage the homeowner to use arch shingles.

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He was correct about the number of bundles, but only due to thickness of the product the big difference will be labor, arch. is way easier and quicker, just a better designed product than 3 tab in any installation scenario I can think of. 3 tab is dead, I'm done with it, will turn down most jobs if it is the spec.
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For the small offset in material price, most customers opt for what is thought of as the nicer shingle.

Going over with a second layer is not preferred in my opinion.
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ok what the is going on here. No architectrual shingles are not all 4 bundles a square. They are not 10 bucks a bundle either unless you are stealing them. They are in the 30 bucks a bundle range since aftr all the spring storms. 21 squares is rediculous. 15 to 16 squares is fine. Not tearing off the old roof is a bad idea also. Why not tear it off and start fresh. Going over old crap= extra weight and more heat.
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Old 11-11-2011, 02:03 AM   #23
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Things might be different in warm climates, but here in the north where it snows, its entirely optional to remove the first layer on re-roofing unless the asphalt shingles are very deteriorated in places, making a smooth application difficult for the 2nd new layer. Most people just cover over (do check your warranty also). The reasons are added insulation/protection being the primary, and second the cost, not to mention the mess it creates. You might have noticed that roofing nails come in various lengths. Provided you can nail through into the plywood or boards, go for the 2nd layer and some even lay on a 3rd layer. Its not uncommon to see three layers on roofs in the Toronto area. If your roof shingles are badly deteriorated in some places, but not others, or curling, chances are your roof has a venting issue. Make sure its properly vented when doing the re-roofing, and personally, stick to the metal valleys. There's a lot of wear from the elements in that valley, and of course you know why shingles are speckled with with ceramic granules, right? Of course you do - it protects the asphalt from ultra-violet light and prolongs shingle life. This is why you don't want the branches of an overhanging tree limb wearing on your roof, not to mention the ice and snow that can form in the valley.

Oh, and if you do go for layer-removal, make sure you buy a magnet on a pole (as in broom pole) and sweep with care, because the roofers will leave nails behind, no matter how diligent they appear to be; and roofing nails can become a nasty projectile when the lawnmower blade connects. I guarantee you'll find them all the way out into the street.

If your roof has any 'belly' going on, don't just replace the sheet. Check the rafter also. You might need to marry on another stick of wood to bring the surface back to it's true slope or it could be damaged and need replacing altogether.

One last note on behalf of the spelling police - its 'ridiculous' with two i's. I keep seeing 'rediculous' written here in this forum. For some reason it bothers me, and i can't explain why...

Happy roofing!

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