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Old 10-16-2014, 07:22 PM   #1
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its not the siding, its the house. i'm finishing 1 last wall for the season.

1st pic, i can just go around the box. but how do i deal with water intrusion ? there is still old asphalt siding behind it. and i ain't taking it out. nor removing/moving the box.

2nd & 3rd pic. this is the front end of the side of the house. the enclosed porch is the white you see. so this corse of siding will terminate here. the issue = what do i do with the house wrap, 1" xps and j-channel that will end here ? other than pushing the HW behind the trim, no way of getting coverage around the corner = and this is what i will do, along with just butting the xps and J-channel. and then calk really well. unless you guys have a better idea, that i can implement.

pic 2&3 = the window trim is wood and the siding is j-chanel. and the white siding to the left, that is going to be replaced next year.
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I like to create solid (i.e. rigid) details around window and penetrations when we are looking at foam and integration with WRB and drainage planes.

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I like to create solid (i.e. rigid) details around window and penetrations when we are looking at foam and integration with WRB and drainage planes.
so, are you saying i should build a frame around that box ? example pic/s ?
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brb, i'm going to take more pics
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pics

1. a better veiw of the box.
2 & 3. the siding will go up to here. i need a way to seal this.
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Trim them both out in wood or pvc then butt the J into that. Do you have a brake?
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Why in the world is there lath on the outside of that house?
Anyone here ever seen a box around a meter base before?
As I've said before adding that foam over the outside is just going to complicate this whole job.
Are those storm windows?
Can you back up and take another picture facing that window?
I've been working on houses for over 40 years mainly 100 plus year old homes and have never seen an outside wall or a window done like that.
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Trim them both out in wood or pvc then butt the J into that. Do you have a brake?
that, alone, would still not address the water infiltration issue. no, i don't have a brake.
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Why in the world is there lath on the outside of that house?

Anyone here ever seen a box around a meter base before?


Are those storm windows?

Can you back up and take another picture facing that window?

I've been working on houses for over 40 years mainly 100 plus year old homes and have never seen an outside wall or a window done like that.

joe, i guess they didn't use this method of siding in your area. that is not lathe. that is the sheathing = 3/4" boards with slots cut in them. see the mortar in the slots. this house was original with some kind of stucco(for lack of a better term) that was crushed glass imbeded . those slots held it on. later on, someone scraped it off flush, and put siding on. i expect the same siding i took off.

those meter box's are normal around here.

yes, those are storm windows. they were put on to enclose an open porch.
i have 12 of them = hole front of the house.

sure, but why, and how do you want this pic (angle) ?

i know, that is why i ask for and respect your opinions.
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this is that same window, from the inside. and from the outside.
these issues are solved. i ran the HW up to the porch. cut it flush, stapled well, and caulked it well, looks good. then i ran the xps up to the porch and caulked it well. the meter box = HW up to it, then red construction tape, and then caulked the xps. then j-channel over that.
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No way would I leave all that wood exposed around those windows, it needs to be wrapped in coil stock.
To do it right would require removing those storm windows so the metal could be run behind where there mounted so there's no exposed end seam that's going to trap water.
That meter base can be wrapped with an L shaped piece of metal bent at less then a True 90 so it does what we call springs. Nothing more then maintains pressure against the metal box.
I'd use 1X 4 PVC lumber to trim it out so there's no rot or painting.
I'd also use a siding block anyplace pipes, wiring, cable box, outside lights, outside faucets are, not just screw them through the siding.
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joe. i "may" take out all of those windows to open the porch, in the future. and those windows have been there a long time. and other than the paint getting old, the install was done prettty good. so they are staying "for now". and next year the whole porch is getting painted and perhaps new siding.
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that, alone, would still not address the water infiltration issue. no, i don't have a brake.
You need the brake...Then you can wrap the trim adding an extra bend into it to create the flashing to keep the water out. Any other way and you'll only be able to rely on caulking.
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You can rent a brake, and I will guarantee you that you'll amaze yourself at how easy it can be to turn out perfect flashings. I've never looked, but imagine that there must be loads of you tube or whatever videos that you might want to take a look at ahead of time.
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I would sister up wood/pvc and create a trim detail around the items in question so that the foam can be run right up to them.

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