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Old 08-29-2013, 08:42 AM   #16
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Very true----the old framing in your house may well have old growth fir floor joists----which are stronger than modern wood----

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1 1/2" x9 1/4"
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Is 2x10 true measurement or is it more like 1 3/4" by 9.5" in practice?
It's about 1 1/2" x 9 1/2", but whenever an industry standard like 2x10 is mentioned, that's what they mean. 2x10 is an example of a "nominal" measurement - an agreed upon standard even though the real measurement is different.
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Thank you. Why is it recommended to sister in rather than just add extra joists in the middle space?

I don't know if our joists are old growth timber but they appear in good shape.
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It's easier to sister than to space them----once that floor is opened up you will see why---the open space between the joists is used for heat ducts--electrical and such----
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Would you say it's worth saving and reusing tongue and grooved solid wood the subfloor that we will be taking out? It looks in good shape.
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Not at all----junk the old T&G ---if you replace that with 3/4" BC plywood you can place your tile backer right over that without the need to add ply over the T&G---

Some might wish to add a second layer of 1/2" BC ply on top of the 3/4" for more stiffness.

Solid wood moves a lot throughout the year----that is why I say junk it---
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Does 1/2" ply on top of 3/4" replace tile backer? Is there anything else we should do while the floor is open? Thank you so so much!
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No it doesn't replace the backer (that doesn't make sense - it's just more plywood.) But a 1 1/4" subfloor is super sturdy. Ditra is still the best tile backer on top of that IMO.

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Jeff is correct---you will need to add a tile backer on top of the plywood to ensure a good bond---1/4" Durrock or Wonderboard set in a bed of thinset,much like a giant tile--then nailed with roofing nails or rock screws--

Ditra is ideal for natural stone ---but,done properly,either will work.
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Thank you. 1 1/4" subfloor, heat mat, Ditra, then tiles? Would it do?
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I'm not familiar with Ditra---I'm kind of old fashioned--

Jaz is an expert with that product and can guide you better than I can.
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I haven't installed it, but that's the order according to Schluter. You will have to read the instructions for the heat mat, but Schluter gives a little information on page 12.
http://www.schluter.com/media/DITRAH...v=201308300605
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if you replace that with 3/4" BC plywood you can place your tile backer right over that without the need to add ply over the T&G---
That's right for ceramic but not for stone tiles. For stone you always need a two-layer subfloor. So in this case I would junk the 3/4" planks, replace with 3/4" ply/OSB subfloor, then 1/2" underlayment grade ply.

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1 1/4" subfloor, heat mat, Ditra, then tiles? Would it do?
That's it, you've got it. What brands of thin set are available to you?

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That's right for ceramic but not for stone tiles. For stone you always need a two-layer subfloor.
Why is that, do you know?

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