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ChrisDIY 06-22-2013 10:37 AM

Tiling a "Better Bench"
 
I am due to install our "Better Bench" Monday, had a quick question. I know 90 transitions have to be caulked but was wondering if there is any special considerations for dealing with the corners of the front edge of bench where it meets wall? For example if I tile a full size tile across back of bench this would place a grout line at the front top corner of bench, and around perimeter of the entire shower. Placing a reduced size tile will leave an "L" shaped cut on tile on the sides, grout line mid bench or now with bottom corner of bench. Half full tile will create a "U" shaped cut on the sides, but no grout line near either edge of bench. Just don't know if grout meeting caulk on same line creates a failure point?

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JazMan 06-23-2013 10:12 PM

Chris,

Trying to follow your description gave me a headache.:wink: (I coulda used that Ibuprofen). It's hard to follow and is likely why no one answered.

A change of plane is a change of plane and should be caulked. The grout doesn't know exactly what the situation is and it matters not.

A pic might help understand what you mean, but it's safe to caulk all changes of plane and where dissimilar substrates meet.

Jaz

oh'mike 06-24-2013 04:46 AM

What is a 'better bench' and how is it getting waterproofed before the tile is installed?

ChrisDIY 06-24-2013 03:58 PM

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Better Bench

http://innoviscorp.com/better-bench


After looking at some pictures they seem to favor the grout line either not involving the bench or coinciding with the bottom corner.

I attached a photo that I hope helps. The red lines are the caulk line around the end of the bench. The blue lines would be the grout lines that would make my cuts the easiest 1 & 3. Grout line 2 has the "U" shaped cut but caulk and grout would meet at 90 degrees.

I hope this makes it clear, but maybe it won't even matter short of making the cuts in the tile.

--Chris

JazMan 06-24-2013 08:51 PM

Chris,

Ahhh............ never mind.:huh:

Jaz

ChrisDIY 06-24-2013 08:58 PM

Well, no I am using 12" tiles the picture I saw was using 6" maybe? But intersection of grout and caulk really not that big a deal from a cracking perspective?

Sometimes pictures aren't real bathrooms!

oh'mike 06-24-2013 10:03 PM

Let's back up a step---that bench will leak into the wall---

what waterproofing are you going to use before you tile?

Surely there must be waterproofing instructions---

Explain more about this bench before anything else ---as shown in the video it will leak and fail---

ChrisDIY 06-25-2013 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by oh'mike (Post 1206734)
Let's back up a step---that bench will leak into the wall---

what waterproofing are you going to use before you tile?

Surely there must be waterproofing instructions---

Explain more about this bench before anything else ---as shown in the video it will leak and fail---

It will? I have used standard design, vapor barrier, cement board, then Hydro-Ban. So the silicone step in video is not enough along with pitch to front?

oh'mike 06-25-2013 07:07 AM

You mentioned Hydroban---that is a surface membrane--a very good one--if you have coated the walls and bench work you will be fine.

cement backer is not waterproof---neither is tile and grout--water will get through it --so Hydroban on the face is the trick---

a properly waterproofed shower can be used without any tile----

As to your tile layout? Use a chalk line and snap out the layout if you can't picture the final look---

ChrisDIY 06-25-2013 08:15 AM

Here is the shower so far:

http://www.diychatroom.com/f49/chris...9/#post1190766

I had planned on caulking as in video, put in deck mud then use Laticrete Hydro-Ban over the whole thing. I guess I left that part off. :whistling2:

ChrisDIY 06-26-2013 01:54 PM

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Bench installed ready for mud, then Hydro-Ban

Attachment 73131

oh'mike 06-26-2013 11:34 PM

Interesting product----I may have to look into that bench---thanks for posting this one.

I suggest you waterproof the bench top and sides before tiling to keep water from saturating the deck mud--and attachment screws.

ChrisDIY 06-30-2013 09:55 PM

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Bench and shelf complete and both with Hydro-Ban. Goal is to set the top of the first row of tile around 1/4"-3/8" below the bottom of bench. This will leave me with a "T" joint, two ways silicone caulk one way grout. Anybody see any issues with this? Since I plan to use color matched materials should I extend so all parts of "T" are silicone caulk?

Attachment 73314


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