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Old 01-10-2012, 11:53 PM   #1
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I have 13' x 13' ceramic tiles that I plan on installing over my cement bathroom & laundry room. Previously water leaked at the base of my toilet (from the toilet ring) and I was forced to strip my vinyl floor. Should I apply RedGard before the thinset mortar & tiles -- or is that overkill? Will it prevent damage against a leaking washing machine or am I worrying unnecessarily?

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Old 01-11-2012, 06:54 AM   #2
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If you use a quality powdered modified thinset--no harm will be done by a leaking toilet or washing machine---I don't think that redguard on the concrete floor will offer you and benefit.

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Oh'mike, thank you so much for your valuable advice! Regarding the thinset -- does it have to be powdered or can I purchase a pre-mixed one? I've never done tiling before so figured my chances of screwing up would be decreased if I purchased the pre-mix. If the pre-mix is okay, Home Depot sells Simpleset & OmniGrip. The OmniGrip costs a little bit more but claims to "shrink up to 33% less than traditional adhesive". What are your thoughts on this? If powdered is best, what brand would you recommend? This whole experience is quite stressful so I really appreciate your time!!! Mahalo.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:07 PM   #4
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Do not use the pre mixed--it is a mastic--and will dissolve and fail if it is exposed to moisture or water

The powdered stuff is a cement--no issues when it gets wet---The premix is a failure waiting to happen.

I could tell stories of failures I have seen---use the powdered modified--

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Once again, thanks for your helpful advice & for the "mud" attachment. There's so many details involved every step of the way... Hopefully, I'll figure it all out & have this project done by the year 2013! Have a nice day!!
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:24 PM   #7
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How do I peripherally prevent water leakage between the tiles & drywall? I'll have wooden baseboards & a wooden threshold. Are there strips of vapor barrier that I can lay around the edge which continues a couple of inches up the wall? Again, am I being needlessly paranoid ? It's just that my washing machine leaked years before necessitating the removal of my vinyl tiles. Thought I solved the problem using a one piece vinyl sheet -- until my toilet leaked between the subfloor & vinyl. Thus, the present agony of attempting to install my ceramic tiles... Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated!
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They make pans for washing machines to sit in with drains, there also is auto shut offs that will shut the water off if it sinces water.
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Thanks for enlightening me! Such a simple solution to a problem that has been a MAJOR headache. Feel a little stupid for not knowing about that... You've just made my tiling project a little easier cause every step has been terrifying for this novice. Have a great day!
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Hey, thank you for your kind encouragement. It's a great relief to know that there's resource people out there willing to unselfishly share their knowledge -- I couldn't imagine attempting this scary project without the aid from y'all.

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