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Old 03-30-2011, 04:06 PM   #1
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This seems to have been gone over a dozen times but I'm not getting a home run of an answer when I do search.

I'm installing a kitchen backsplash within 1 week, the tiles we bought are 1/2 " squares held together via 12"X12" mesh backing. The squares are all in the brown familiy with some copper colors mixed in. The tiles we will mount behind the range are all copper color.

My question is what color thin set do we use (it may not matter) and what type of grout if there is more then one.

It was mentioned to me that we should apply the tile with a kind of glue (maybe liquid nails type of stuff).

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Old 03-30-2011, 07:00 PM   #2
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DO NOT use Liquid Nails or any other construction adhesive.
DO USE modified thinset mortar. It comes in gray and white but the color won't matter.
The grout in this case should be Portland cement grout - unsanded.

The trowel is also important. Use a small notch around 1/8" X 1/8" square or a 3/16" "V" maybe. You can find the 1/8" trowel in the wood flooring department of any home center, you won't likely find it in the tile section.

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DO NOT use Liquid Nails or any other construction adhesive.
DO USE modified thinset mortar. It comes in gray and white but the color won't matter.
The grout in this case should be Portland cement grout - unsanded.

The trowel is also important. Use a small notch around 1/8" X 1/8" square or a 3/16" "V" maybe. You can find the 1/8" trowel in the wood flooring department of any home center, you won't likely find it in the tile section.

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The color of the thinset may matter if you haven't done this before. If the thinset seeps up too high in any spots between the tiles, it will show around the grout unless you dig the thinset out down low. Best to get grout and thinset the same color, if possible. Ask me how I know.
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If the thinset is going to purge between the tiles it doesn't matter whether the thinset is gray or white, grouts don't usually match either. Besides who ever heard of choosing either gray or white grout because someone was uncontrollably sloppy with thinset.

Purging is easy enough to avoid from the git-go, just don't let it happen. Controlling the application of the thinset is easy using the right trowel. The two trowels I recommended above will not cause thinset to purge with that particular tile. Of course the thinset must be combed and controlled and not allowed to heap anywhere. This is really easy stuff to do.

Keep a damp sponge at the ready just in case. If necessary immediately wipe away any purges and the sponge will dig deep enough that grout will later cover the depression the sponge makes in the grout.

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Best to get grout and thinset the same color
That would limit your grout choices quite a bit. It wouldn't do much good anyway though. White thin set isn't like white grout, same for gray. You gotta use the right trowel and technique, and go back and cut out any Oppps.

There's gonna be lots of Oppps with those 1/2" beauties.

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Maybe I should ask; Are these tiles ceramic or are they the real coppers wrapped around a backer?
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Maybe I should ask; Are these tiles ceramic or are they the real coppers wrapped around a backer?
Sorry my CPU was out for a couple of days.

These tiles are glass colored brown and copper color, so I'll be using non sanded grout I guess as I don't want to wear off the color or scratch them.
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I always scrap out any thin set that creeps up between the tiles with a knife or screw driver so I'm thinking I can do the same with the tiles. I was told that I should not use thin set on dry wall as it does not adhere well, that I should use a product called mastic.

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I was told that I should not use thin set on dry wall as it does not adhere well, that I should use a product called mastic.
Oh really? Who was the genius that told you that? What does the glass tile manufacturer say to use? Never seen a mastic made for use with glass tiles. Can you share one with us?

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I belong to a boating forum and many members are do it yourselfers and a few GC also.

A few members said not to use thin set on dry wall and that mastic worked better. a couple of guys said that mastic should not be used in wet areas. Oters went on to say wet areas like a shower etc..

Me being a dummy don't know who to listen to!!!
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Mastic will work well for dry areas such as a kitchen backspalsh. Although it's 4-5 x more expensive and not as good, it's fine for some jobs.

I don't know of a mastic that should be used for glass tiles. All you gotta do is read the tile manufacturer's directions, and any can of mastic.

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The only benefit of using mastic is the non sag properties and since it is never recommended for glass installation,(that I know of) I would use thinset.

I would probably use a high quality non sag thinset like mapei ultralite, kiesel servolite etc, although this is probably overkill.
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A few members said not to use thin set on dry wall and that mastic worked better.
Utter NONSENSE! Tell those guys to stay with boating and we'll handle the tile inquiries here. Don't try to use any mastic for glass tile installations. Use thinset - even on drywall.

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