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Old 11-28-2008, 07:37 PM   #1
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Hi,

I'll soon be tiling my bathroom floor. It's only about about 5' X 7", so probably fairly cheap even going high end stone.

I will be putting down 1/2" durock over the 7/8" t%g yellow pine.

I have no idea what choices are out there for tile. I'd like to get real stone, like a marble or granite or something. What do people usually use?

Can I go middle/upper part of the road for maybe $300?

Thanks!

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Old 11-28-2008, 10:29 PM   #2
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Not so fast. Your subfloor needs more than just some Durock. But more on that later.

First the joists system. Natural stone tile requires a floor that is much stiffer than with ceramic or porcelain. This is calculated by measuring a deflection value. Standard construction is usually built to meet "L360" deflection. This is bare bones minimum for safety, assuming regular floor coverings are to be used. As it turns out, ceramic tiles do OK over this joists deflection rating if enough subfloor is installed. Natural stone tiles however requires L720, you rarely find a floor built this well unless it was known natural stone was to be installed when built. So chances are your floor joists are not stiff enough for stone tiles.

The other part of any subfloor system are the subfloor sheets. Most of the deflection in the system happens between the joists, so you have to be sure you have enough plywood thickness and or layers. For stone it is recommended you have about 1 1/4" plus the backer board or membrane. Otherwise a good old fashioned "mud-job" of at least 3/4" thick is OK if the room is small. Larger rooms require about 1 1/4" thick mud (sand/cement) base.

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"YOU PEOPLE"???

Isn't that what got Ross Perot in trouble years ago when he was running for president and addressed a room full of listeners as "you people"?
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Hey Bud, he said "What do people usually use? not "You People".

But where did he go to? I would have thought my reply deserved a reply from him. Maybe he thought this was going to be more involved that he first thought? After all, it's just a floor. Maybe he thought he is owed answers to his questions without a need to acknowledge? Then again he may show up again?

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Hey Bud, he said "What do people usually use? not "You People".
OH!


You may have noticed that I have begun to trim my initial responses until the OP comes back and shows some interest in the threads they start. After ten years of helping people on these forums I have grown weary of those that think we owe them something and those that pose a querry then never return. I don't know if they snatch our reponses and run back to their thankless caves or if they just forget every place they made a post or if they just don't have any respect for the time we dedicate to these DIY forums.

Trying to hold a 5X7 room to 300 bucks may be scrunching it just a little.
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HI Guys,
Sorry for not responding sooner. I hadn't realized I had this many replies.

I appreciate the advice. I think I'll stick to the good ol' fashioned mud job.

I just spent three days dealing with structural issues where they had at one point completely severed a joist to make room for plumbing.

Now the floor is solid.

I'll be using porcelain tile.

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Three days to repair a severed floor joist???

This room won't see any tile before next Easter.
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Three days to repair a severed floor joist???

This room won't see any tile before next Easter.
hehe.

well, it was half the bathroom putting in headers and total custom bracing to span the toilet area.

i had to install three 2 2X6 on the flat, and one 2X4 on the flat, to avoid hitting plumbing. custom rabbeting in some places, ledgers, removing all the old crap.

the part that really took the time was getting three separate pieces of plywood to fit in around all the exposed plumbing.

if you join facebook i can show you pictures.

but yes, i was taking my time with it. now i'm on to roughing in electrical. about to buy tiles, too.

thanks all.
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