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Old 03-12-2012, 08:48 PM   #1
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Contractor screwed up shower floor , failed to place membrane nor sloap, also wrong adhesive.. He laid a different tile down, then ripped it out and replaced with 12x12's. without dismantling the walls. He also built a 7 inch high entry. Can I rip out the floor tile and pour sloaping for the pitch, then re-tile, without knocking down the whole shower walls? Oh and he also walked off the job halfway through and has disappeared.Before anyone asks, yes he was paid..good faith, shame on me.

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You need to remove the walls at least a foot up to install the pvc liner---

I don't have my book marks tonight---look through the tiling section for a link to building a shower pan--

I post that link frequently----to bad you hired a good talker that doesn't have a clue--Mike---

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Did he waterproof the walls?
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That's horrible
Did you stop him when noticing that there was no water proof membrain on the floor?
You might want to redo it again because if the contractor replaced the tile most likely didn't take the existing morter out results in failed tile and then since there is no membrain if it fails you will have to replace you entire floor and water damage from what ever is under the bathroom.

What kind of adhesive did he use?
Most likely the reason he skipped the membrain is that it need to be placed in a bed of this set but also needs to be sloped right, you have to know what your doing this guy didn't.

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I believe this is the thread Mike mentioned:

http://www.ontariotile.com/preslope.html

FWIW, considering all he did wrong, I'd tear the whole thing out and start from scratch.

What is underneath the wall tile?
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Well I was not aware there needed to be a membrane , so while I watched I just figured what he was doing was correct. I was not completely aware of the process.Now ,however, I know he simply layed down hardi-backer, applied Acryl-Pro and then tile, grout. Can't use acryl-pro on shower floors says so right on label, and needed a membrane, and no there wasn't a pan built, so no slope either.
What we are doing now to salvage the job is to tear out the floor,curb, and 24 " of wall, cutting out 12" of board, and putting in a Wedi system. Unfortunately, everyone who has been recommended is real busy, so my earliest guy is in the middle of April. And of course 1500.00+the Wedi system. So this being the only bathroom in the house, we have been without since Feb.23. To add to the insanity, Our Aunt who is on Hospice just had a major stroke and doesn't have long to live, so we can't do much do to the noise level.
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I believe this is the thread Mike mentioned:

http://www.ontariotile.com/preslope.html
Very interesting.


Too many years in construction and I've never seen it done that way. I've only seen the liner installed directly onto the sub-floor, and then the mud and tile laid over that.
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Your correct tile glue is not for floor tile at all!

You use backer board for tile floors that have a tube in the bath.

Ditra or other membrane are for standing showers the walk in type those u need to make a wetbed that's where the membrane plays the roll.
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Very interesting.


Too many years in construction and I've never seen it done that way. I've only seen the liner installed directly onto the sub-floor, and then the mud and tile laid over that.
There are a lot of 'wrong' shower pans built----The preslope helps channel

from under the mud pan into the second set of drain holes at the membrane.
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One question I have , is there a good way to remove the first level of wall tiles without worrying about the whole wall coming down? It has now been up for approximately 16 days , hopefully that is enough time ??? I have to actually remove the first 2 rows on the wall, from the floor up.
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The rest of the wall tiles shouldn't come down....
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I retiled my shower a couple of years ago. I'm no expert but the following is some of the information I learned as I researched the subject.

Fact #1. Tile is not waterproof. Tile will absorb water, how much depends on the type of tile and how highly glazed it is.

Fact #2. Grout is not waterproof. Water will work its way through the grout. Sealing grout does not make it waterproof, it just makes is easier to clean/less likely to stain.

Fact #3. Thinset is not waterproof.

Fact #4. With one exception, drywall (even the so called water resistant drywall!) is not allowed to be used in a wet area like a shower. If...scratch that...when it gets wet it will turn to mush and grow mold.

Fact #5. Cement board (aka CBU, durrock, hardiebacker etc.) is what is generally used behind tile in a shower or wet area. THIS IS ALSO NOT WATERPROOF. It is used because it is not affected by water. IOW, it won't turn to mush and grow mold, but it won't stop the water.

Fact #6. You need something to stop water and moisture from penetrating the walls of your bathroom otherwise you're looking at water damage, rot, mold, etc.

There are some newer tile backer products that are waterproof, but if you are not sure your contractor provided some sort of waterproofing layer in there somewhere, or if you're not sure of the products he used, I'd be hesitant to try to patch it together. Be aware you could be looking at problems down the road.
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Well we have decided to have the job gutted and the entire job Wedi.
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Ouch, I know it hurts, but I think you will be better off in the long run.

Two pieces of advice if you don't mind.

1) spend some time reading old shower/tile threads here so you know what questions to ask of anyone involved in the project.

2) take pics of the job in progress. Not only is it a good reference, but we like pictures here!

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