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Lockeset 11-18-2010 05:26 PM

Tiling shower, how long?
 
About how long should it take a novice tile setter to tile a 3' X 5' shower area, stall to ceiling with 12" tile and one window?

I gave the tile part of my DIY bathroom project to a friend who does his own tile and I am trying to judge the speed.

oh'mike 11-18-2010 06:30 PM

Just the walls--2 days to tile 4 or 5 hours to grout.

A lot depends on the equipment----Good 10 inch saw? or small saw?

Make sure you use thinset--the powdered kind--

Bud Cline 11-18-2010 06:45 PM

My showers can take me two or three weeks. There is no way to fairly estimate "how long".:)

How many benches, shelves, niches, corners, wall features, wall penetrations? What type of floor assembly? Is the ceiling being tiled? What is being used for the wall substrate? Lots of things to be considered.

Lockeset 11-18-2010 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by oh'mike (Post 536564)
Just the walls--2 days to tile 4 or 5 hours to grout.

A lot depends on the equipment----Good 10 inch saw? or small saw?

Make sure you use thinset--the powdered kind--

Thanks Mike. He's got a good MK wetsaw that he borrowed.

FWIW, the floor isn't being done, just the walls. Still 2 days?

oh'mike 11-19-2010 06:28 AM

That is just a guess---if it is a simple install--2 days--might be a bit longer if he need to use a ledger board to support the first row of tiles--then cut in the bottom row after the tile above is set.

That is not a really fair question--I've never seen how fast the guy works--or how organized he is---

Lockeset 11-19-2010 07:10 AM

Your guess is very accurate it seems. The way my receptor is designed the first row of tile have to hover in the air, and since they are heavy it took him a while to get the first course done. It seems like he will be taking 2 to 2.5 days. I thought that something straight forward like this would take one day, thanks for the reassurance :thumbsup:

oh'mike 11-19-2010 07:13 AM

I've done a few:whistling2:

Lockeset 11-19-2010 07:34 AM

While you're here I have a quick question. This is the way that Kohler recommends the tile is installed and it came out exactly like this (he did a good job).

http://www.diychatroom.com/attachmen...r-untitled.jpg

I put a bead of silicone between the PermaBase and the top of the flange before the tile went up. When the tile is all finished and we're ready to caulk, the caulk under the tile actually has to go upwards. This is something that you can't see so I guess normal clear silicone will be fine. I bought small toothpaste sized tubes of silicone to make it easier to squirt the silicone up into the gap.

Have you done this design before? Any advice on the caulking?

Blondesense 11-19-2010 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lockeset (Post 536540)
About how long should it take a novice tile setter to tile a 3' X 5' shower area, stall to ceiling with 12" tile and one window?

Man, are you watching me!!!! I've been working on mine for weeks!

Sounds almost exactly my situation. I'm a novice, and tiling a 3' x 4' shower (walls only) with a window and using 12" tile. It is taking forever!

In my situation, the four foot long wall with a window will use 40 pieces of tile, of which only 6 will NOT have to be cut.

This is a lousy pic, it's too bright outside, but it will give you some idea of the cuts involved.

Also factor in your surface. If the walls are not perfectly plumb, flat and square, each cut has to be individually measured and made.

Lockeset 11-19-2010 10:49 AM

Looks like fun!

You have a rather large window. What are you doing to ensure water doesn't puddle up on the sill and find it's way into the wall?

Blondesense 11-19-2010 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lockeset (Post 536888)
Looks like fun!

You have a rather large window. What are you doing to ensure water doesn't puddle up on the sill and find it's way into the wall?

Not sure about fun, but it has been a challenge. Just finished putting the last wall tile on today. Still have the window sill and trim to go.

As far as waterproofing around the window, first I installed CBU (hardie backer) with a slight slope so water wouldn't puddle and siliconed the edge against the window. Next was waterproofing with Mapelastic HPG (a brush or roll on waterproofing). Lastly, once the tile is on I will add more silicone caulk between the tile and window.

I know windows are generally a bad idea in showers, but I didn't have much choice, so I'm hoping the above will take care of it.

oh'mike 11-20-2010 06:02 AM

Lockset---Silicone caulk---Here is the method that granite counter top installers use to get the neat seams-----


The first thing to know is that silicone will stick to any clean dry surface--

It will not stick to a wet soapy surface.

(for this you need 100% silicone caulk paper towels and a soapy spray ,like White Lightning or 409-My favorite is White Lightning)

step one--clean up the surfaces to be caulked--scrape out any dirt or surface haze left by the grouting.(a white scrub pad is a useful tool)

Use a dry paint brush or compressed air to remove all dust-----

Nip the tip off of your silicone tube,leaving a small hole----

apply the silicone,starting at the bottom----(you don't want the spray running down to an area that still needs caulk)

Spray the silicone bead with Greased Lightning or 409--spray your finger---Wipe joint,removing any excess to paper towels---

Any excess silicone will just roll right off the soapy wall---

Test this technique on some scrap before using it on your finished work---Have fun--Mike--

Lockeset 11-20-2010 11:58 AM

Thanks, I am going to do that for all the caulking of the joints.

One issue that I am worried about is caulking up behind the tile on the bottom row, that's what I bought the small tubes of silicone for since I will never be able to get a caulk gun low enough in the shower receptor to squirt upwards behind the tile.

oh'mike 11-20-2010 01:27 PM

You will need to figure that one out on your own---I've never ended up with an overhang like that--

Lockeset 11-20-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oh'mike (Post 537580)
You will need to figure that one out on your own---I've never ended up with an overhang like that--

I'll let you know how it works out :thumbup:

I like the overhang because it keeps the tile and grout out of any water. I like having the extra border of protection around the receptor before the water reaches the tile. The image is wrong, the lip is actually 1 13/16" high in total so there is about 1" of porcelain showing around the receptor, it looks pretty nice.


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