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Old 03-02-2012, 09:57 AM   #121
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I've looked at all of the alternative products referred to in this thread, including the Schluter. All are multi-part systems which you need to glue / mortar together and hope that you have done it well enough so that the seams don't leak. They appear to be more time / labor intensive to install, and not straightforward for the first time DIYer. I think a one piece product like the Tile Redi is much more appealing, provided you get the bedding right. But all of the systems require proper bed preparation appropriate for the product. I don't see a lot of hocus pocus involved with dropping a one piece shower pan onto a wet mortar / thinset bed (thankfully I have access below the floor for the drain connection). As for cost, I would much rather spend a few hundred bucks more for a product which provides a simpler and quicker installation, provided that it works, of course. I think Tile Redi clearly screwed up with their original instructions on the dry mortar bed, which is what lead to all the grief reported here. That problem seems to be solved.

It will be at least 2 weeks before I do the install, but I'll report back. Thanks for your advice.

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Old 03-02-2012, 10:02 AM   #122
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Just set my 3060l pan in tileredi recommended quickrete. Fingers crossed but now I'm not so optimistic there wont be deflection. Maybe ill just have myself a nice $600 black shower pan. Oh they make it look so easy on their install video.
So how does it feel now? Any flexing or loose corners? How thick a Quickrete bed did you use, and did you push the pan down into the bed so that all of the bottom ribs were in good contact? Thanks.
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So is there anything out there that one can use besides the laticrete to stick the tiles to the tile redi pan?
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:03 PM   #124
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You must use the epoxy thinset that tile ready provides---

Why on this earth would you attempt this product with a long history of failures ,and a high price to boot,is a mystery to me---

Schluters system gives you a completely water proof shower at less cost--with no failures that I have heard of---

But you are and adult and can make your choice based on the facts that you have on hand.


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The really sad thing about the tile reddy system is after spending $600+, you open the box and pull out a piece of plastic that realistically looks like it should cost $19.95, "and if you order now, we'll double your order, just pay separate shipping and handling." The only difference between this overpriced pos is there is no money back guarantee like the TV hawers offer. Everything that comes from them is very overpriced. The little Z channel that they offer to go behind the cement board and lip over into the pan was the thinnest piece of aluminum I had seen in a long time. Then if you want a square grate for the drain, that's another $60. All in all, their whole setup reaks of ripoff.
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I've built so many mud pans in my years that the whole pan construction and walls is done in 4 to five hours---drain--preslope--liner--rock the walls--pack the pan --shape the curb--

$135 in materials including the square brushed stainless drain---add 5 hours--deduct a short lunch break and compare the cost---

I will investigate Latacretes new pan system---I like that company---

I've built the Hydroban sealed pans---but I'm a coward and have only used them on grade---although the system is approve and guaranteed for all levels of a home---
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:02 PM   #127
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i had the same problem with the shower pan not adhearing to the mortar on the plywood floor...and yes the rep was usless
i carefully pried up the front of the shower and squirted a GENEROUS amount of PL-400 (construction adhesive) as far underneath as the tube would let me, and put weight on the pan till the glue dried....you only get one chance...when the PL-400 dries its over....you'll have to break the pan to remove it. so be careful not to pry the pan up so high that pieces of the mortar fall underneath the ribs of the pan when inserting the PL-400. this worked for me ....the pan was solid to walk on in 24 hrs.....and never came loose.
i will not buy a tile ready pan again....oh and the special glue they send with it is highly toxic ....serious burns to the skin ....and eyes....wear plenty of protection
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:28 PM   #128
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Just installed my one piece shower pan. Piece of cake -- went very smoothly and is now as solid as a rock. Had planned to go with Tile Redi, but changed my mind. Back in Nov 2010, Tweezle had asked whether anyone had experience with KBRS products, but no one replied. I checked into it (www.kbrsinc.com or www.showerbase.com) and liked it better than Tile Redi for several reasons. First, the KBRS had a flat base rather than a ribbed base -- sounded like a better plan. Second, you install it on a thinset bed just like a large piece of tile. Finally, you apply tile to it using standard fortified thinset, not a special epoxy product. Prices were comparable. So I ordered their 34x60 center drain unit on Monday, it arrived on Friday, and I installed it Saturday morning. I used Mapai Ultraflex 1 from Lowes using the 3/4" notch trowel that came with the unit. Just followed the instructions (see their web site), weighted it down with a few blocks overnight to let it set up, and it is rock solid. I have not put up the backerboard yet on the walls or applied tile because wife has not picked out the tile yet, but will do that over the next couple of weekends. I've never installed a shower base or a shower anything before, and was impressed with how easy this was. I would highly recommend the KBRS unit for the first time DIYer. Thanks to all previous posters for their comments.

QUESTION: when I install the backerboard on the walls, should I seal the corners with that that orange fabric stuff from Kerdi-Schluter, or is the mesh tape / thinset seam good enough?
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I found this thread interesting since I too have been interested in Tile Redi. If it weren't for a lot of other users input, I may have mistakenly purchased it too only to find out the problems that others have faced. But the reality is, it would seem (based on a lot of other responses) that Tile Redi is not so Tile Redi after-all.

I've appreciated that although the pro's don't seem to like Tile Redi, they have been quite helpful in still helping others to find ways to make Tile Redi work. I think that, by itself, shows a lot on their part. They don't like it (for reasons they explained and can back up), you want it (us DIY consumers), but they are still willing to help you MAKE it work. It's nice, thoughtful, and considerate on their part.

What I haven't heard much of though, is alternatives to Tile Redi? If Tile Redi isn't that tile ready, what are other alternatives that a person like myself could go out and purchase that would be like "Tile Redi"? I'd like to find a shower pan for which I can tile. What else could I use if I were not to use Tile Redi? What are alternatives, other similar products, or ideas that may be as good, better, or save you at the $$$ pocket?
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http://www.ontariotile.com/preslope.html---pack your own--

Schluter---

Latacrete---

Both of the above companies have shower systems that work and are used by pros---and homeowners.
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There is a quick slope panel that we use here in Vancouver for our linear drain installations.

One way slope (2%) created in about 15 minutes!

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Jason, I highly recommend the KBRS one-piece shower base (www.showerbase.com). Please read my post of 3-20-12.

I spent a lot of time looking at the various options for a shower base. Never installed one before, although I've done some tile work. I was not too keen on any of the multi-component systems -- although they offer flexible on-the-spot design and work well in the hands of an experienced user, I did not trust my ability to make the many seams involved leak proof and get the slope right. I figured that a one-piece shower base was fool-proof.

There are many out there, but only two that let you tile over them: Tile Redi and KBRS. Both also offer a side flange which provides at least a 5" overlap (underlap?) with your shower wall backerboard, so there is very little chance of leaking through the base -- no butt seams with the side wall to worry about. You have already read this thread, so you know some of the problems encountered with the Tile Redi. I found the KBRS unit very easy to install (note that I had access from the floor below to install the drain flange, which was a big plus). I spent more time mixing the thinset than installing the pan. I've never seen a Tile Redi unit, I'm sure that you could get it to work well after reading this thread, but no one seems to have anything good to say about the epoxy thinset required to lay tile on it. You can use standard thinset with the KBRS. And the shower seats from KBRS are much cheaper than those from Tile Redi, and are also installed with standard thinset.

Depending upon your shower size, you will spend $550-$600 on the KBRS base, including shipping. You can buy the same Oatey drain flange they offer at Lowes for half the price. Ditto for the polyurethane sealant. Good Luck.

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So how does it feel now? Any flexing or loose corners? How thick a Quickrete bed did you use, and did you push the pan down into the bed so that all of the bottom ribs were in good contact? Thanks.
Sorry for the delayed response. Yeah i ran into problems. It flexes right by the drain, even though mortar was seeping out of the drain hole. It also flexes along that high edge opposite of the curve. Not sure if i should rip it out and try again with the versabond or just a ton more quickrete.
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Thanks Steadymobbin - newbie here so can't pm - but have tile redi, 36x42 new construction and after reading this, your method sound like right one for me to follow, but need to set it in 2nd floor bathroom with no access to underneath, so need to spray on the foam AND apply the ABS glue as well - did you need to do this - any advice? Thanks
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Hello DIY
I wish I would have found this site before I tried to install the redi shower pan. I would have sent the pan back. Hind site is 20/20 Right!
With that said! I'm Having problems with my redi shower pan flexing and refracting after setting it in a mortar bed following the manufactures directions. I don't feel comfortable tiling the pan with the flex, so my contractor is going to take the pan up.

What would you guys recommend?

1. using non expandable foam in the areas the mortar did not get to, and then resetting the pan on the foam over the previously set mortar.

Or

2. Restarting over and pulling up all the previously placed mortar and and
setting the pan with versa bound?

Thanks!


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