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Old 03-05-2011, 01:12 PM   #61
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Old 03-05-2011, 01:32 PM   #62
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Travertine can be stained you know?
In addition to staining, stone enhancing sealers are available that will dramatically change the appearance of some stones-especially travertine.

Travertine can also be tooled easily and you can make your own shapes with the stones. You can develop your own odd shape pieces and sand and tool the cut edges to look exactly like the same pieces coming from the supplier.

For example you could install a framework of small flat stones in an arched pattern over the cook-top and the size of the cook-top surface. Inside the framework the tiles could be turned diagonally with tiles adjacent to the arch also arched. The remainder of the backsplash could then be laid out in a square pattern to offset the arch and diagonal pieces.

There are a lot of things that can be done with travertine.
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Tim, I didn't post the pics to make you feel bad. Sorry. I just wanted you to see what a granite installation should look like.

The only silicone in the whole kitchen is a very small amount around the kitchen sink, not even noticeable, and where the joint is in the corner. That is it. Even the island top has no seam. It is one piece.

When I come to Florida I am going to look you up, and if that countertop is still there, I am bringing my hammer and smashing it......

As for your backsplash, as Bud said you can really do anything you like.
In my opinion I would not go with any thing that stands out, as you have a lot of colour and pattern in the tiling and the wall.
Is that the colour of the wall that will stay?

I would pick a neutral colour from the tiles, and find a rectangular tile, or stone, 3 X 6 inches and install it vertically. This way you add interest without fighting with the slate. White carerra marble?

You can also do mosaic tiles, if you like them. Glass tiles?
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No, the idea for the backsplash is something neutral, because the countertop, the floor tile, and the slate feature each make their own separate statement.

As mentioned earlier, the whole plan had been to use travertine, but what got me nervous was just how out of place the bare white paint looks at the moment over the countertop - the creamy look of travertine isn't too far off, so I began having doubts about my original idea. Then I began wondering whether something brownish might work, or whether it would, together with the cabinet color and floor tile, give too brown a look to the whole kitchen. Because I was trying for a semi-oriental kind of feel to the area (the rest of the woodwork and skylight are in dark walnut paired up to the paint on the walls) I toyed with the idea of a darkish crimson for the backsplash, in glass or tile, but I think that would be taking things too far.

As for your point about glass, we did think about it, but a) we couldn't find anything we really liked overmuch b) the good stuff is pretty pricey c) I just wondered if wasn't going to be something competitive, a highlight, rather than the neutral the backsplash needs and d) I wonder at times whether glass is just a current fad that could date the kitchen very quickly, like some of the 60's and 70's stuff that looks so darn awful now.

As for Bud's notion, that pretty much was what I had planned all along until I got nervous with how stark the white paint looked.

As for the paint job, yep that's the final finish - I don't run away from color unless I really have to, and I seldom go for anything too neutral. The kitchen will give over to a dining area painted in fawn with the same tile, which will then hand over to a living area painted in forest green with tigerwood floors.

PS to YY. Is this plan to smash our counter-top before or after we try to get a settlement?

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Old 03-06-2011, 12:17 PM   #65
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I will agree with what Bud said about BBB. There is nothing they can or will do per se except for this one thing. They will post complaints and any resolution of complaints about a business whether or not the business is a member.

I for one will check BBB's site for complaints about a contractor first before considering them for hire. There is still no guarantee that the contractor you hire will be competant or ethical, but it is at least one more place you can go to look for red flags.
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I'm not sue happy, but you might want to consult an attorney.
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I guessing that suing would be a waste of time. There are usually set allowable gaps, conditions, etc that would make this a "normal installation". For example, my builder's association has performance guidelines for nearly every aspect of a home. See if the contractor is a member of a building or remodeling assc. If so, complain to them.

That being said, it is a bad installation. Let the contractor and every other person you know about your experience and maybe some pressure will make the contractor do something to help (not sure what though).
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There are usually set allowable gaps, conditions, etc that would make this a "normal installation".
"NORMAL" for those rookies that made the installation maybe but certainly not an industry norm. In anybody's book.
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Can you file a complaint with someone BBB or City? Were they licensed? If they are, can you file a complaint with whoever issued the license? On your contract, is there anything said about what happens should issues arise such as arbitration? Can you take them to small claims court? I know that a lot of the major news stations where I live have consumer help lines where they help consumers get satisfaction when no one else can. Hey, no company wants to be made to look bad on the nightly news so they usually try and fix the issue. Hope that you get some satisfaction whether it's a redo or a refund. I think I would want to strangle someone if they screwed up my install like that.
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What I meant to say was that the guy who did the measuring did all that you described, laid out the strips, cut them where necessary, marked the centers for the sink and cook top, stuck it all together with a glue gun - and yet they STILL contrived to screw up the cutting. That's what I was trying to emphasize in my original post. How do you go to all that trouble, and still mess it up?
Easy, they took that back to the shop or sent it out to someone to do the actual cutting, and THEY messed up, bet the granite doesn't match that, or else in handling it got bent or damaged or the glue they used to hold it together came apart and they stuck it back where it seemed like it was.
Any of those can account for 3/16"

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Firstly, Id always been led to believe that a bead of silicone or some sort of adhesive was put along the top of the cabinets prior to installing the granite. These guys just sat the granite straight on top.
I guess i have to wonder what on earth would anyone put silicone there between the cabinet and the underside of the granite for? if you don't lay the top in perfectly the first shot you wind up smearing that sticky crud all over. It doesn't strike as a location that even requires any kind of silicone or caulk or adhesive.
I guess the way I see it is in a few years when you or someone else decides to change the tops or something when it's "out of style" or damaged from use, it's a real headache to get silicone to break it's bond.


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(They also came close to causing some severe damage by trying to stand the edge of the heaviest piece, the corner, on the weakest points of both the sink cabinet and the cooktop cabinet I had to hurriedly tell them not to do so in order to prevent them cracking the cabinets and possibly dropping the slab as well.)
They sound like idiots, but then if they did damage/break it, it's their problem- they would have to pay to replace them.

I suggest you go to the BBB or small claims court on your whole install, it's lousy work they did.
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Why is everyone waking the dead today? This thread was started and died 2 years ago.
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Why is everyone waking the dead today? This thread was started and died 2 years ago.
Cause it appeared in the "new posts today" link and nobody reads page 1 of a long thread, fewer pay any attention to the date of the first post anyway.

Besides, even if the OP is long aged and gone and now sold his house with those counters and moved, someone else searching for "bad countertop install" or the like will find this and learn from it and what not to do.

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