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Old 10-27-2013, 07:50 PM   #31
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If you were to do a remodel and replace the cabinets and update the design, then granite or a quartz like Cambria would be an appropriate choice for a counter material, but only if the level of the rest of the home supports such a remodel. If the home is in a mid grade home neighborhood and not an entry level home neighborhood, the choosing more upscale choices can be appropriate.
Depends on the home owner's goals. If you are remodeling the house for the next owner, then I can not argue with anything you said. If the OP simply does not like the countertops, then I won't argue with a change.

But to Dinosaur ---- granite tile countertops just look tacky, in my opinion.

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Old 10-27-2013, 08:12 PM   #32
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Granite counter tops do not come as solid Granite, they come as a composite, with the Granite chips in a Resin, so that you do not have to seal them.
Quartz counter tops are chips in resin. Granite is a slab of natural stone. Price will vary on color and country of origin.
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Quartz counter tops are chips in resin. Granite is a slab of natural stone. Price will vary on color and country of origin.
I agree with you. I'm not sure what gregzoll is talking about.
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Quartz counter tops are chips in resin. Granite is a slab of natural stone. Price will vary on color and country of origin.
you beat me to it. greg must be having a brain cramp.

as far as gregs points. i agree, except that people have different taste's.

as i said, the countertops don't match. and i think i granite look laminate would look much better. but, as i said, that is just me. a lot of people like white : houses, kitchens, trim. i can't stand white house stuff. too me, it says "cheap".

i want granite in my new kitchen. the price was $7000+ $700 tax = OUCH !
i am look at options now. just to get a visual, i borrowed this from HD. for about $300(for all i would need), it doesn't look bad at all. and there are better looking ones out there.

and a pic of the $7000++ granite.
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you beat me to it. greg must be having a brain cramp. as far as gregs points. i agree, except that people have different taste's. as i said, the countertops don't match. and i think i granite look laminate would look much better. but, as i said, that is just me. a lot of people like white : houses, kitchens, trim. i can't stand white house stuff. too me, it says "cheap". i want granite in my new kitchen. the price was $7000+ $700 tax = OUCH ! i am look at options now. just to get a visual, i borrowed this from HD. for about $300(for all i would need), it doesn't look bad at all. and there are better looking ones out there. and a pic of the $7000++ granite.
What material is the first picture ? You spent $300 installed?

Also, I don't understand your comment " and i think i granite look laminate would look much better."
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What material is the first picture ? You spent $300 installed?

Also, I don't understand your comment " and i think i granite look laminate would look much better."
that is a home depot in stock "granite look laminate". i think it was $70 that piece. i would need about $300 of that for my kitchen. it would look great in your kitchen, i think.

here is another, that i don't like, no color.
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that is a home depot in stock "granite look laminate". i think it was $70 that piece. i would need about $300 of that for my kitchen. it would look great in your kitchen, i think. here is another, that i don't like, no color.
The 1st one definitely looks better. Do you know the style name? What do you think it would cost to install it plus materials in your case? $70 isn't bad, but again I have a real granite floor and to put fake granite above......I just don't think it would mix well.
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http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hampton-B...5#.UmNSE_nlay0

my bad, the black CT was $70.

cost to install = no idea. i am doing all of my own work.

yeah, its fake granite. but = imo, it looks way nicer than what you have, no offence.
and i think it would mix far better. just go to HD and buy a piece. bring it home and set it on your counter.

you want real granite = drop at least $5000.
your call.
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http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hampton-B...5#.UmNSE_nlay0 my bad, the black CT was $70. cost to install = no idea. i am doing all of my own work. yeah, its fake granite. but = imo, it looks way nicer than what you have, no offence. and i think it would mix far better. just go to HD and buy a piece. bring it home and set it on your counter. you want real granite = drop at least $5000. your call.
I hear you , but I read that more people use this material in their "rentals" vs in their own home. Makes me wonder.
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I hear you , but I read that more people use this material in their "rentals" vs in their own home. Makes me wonder.
your reading about people that have money.

and, would you put real granite in a rental ? didn't think so.


anyway, its bed time.
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your reading about people that have money. and, would you put real granite in a rental ? didn't think so. anyway, its bed time.
My point was that I noticed that people use that material in their home, but not as much as they would in their rental. That tells me it's cheap looking.
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I would replace/reface the cabinets before doing anything with the counter top. It's putting good money into bad.

How long are you planning on staying in the house? If you are going to be there for 10-15 years and you have the budget, put in the kitchen that you love. If it's short term, leave it alone but be prepared to take a hit when you sell it. Kitchens and baths are high on the list when buying a home. Remodeling a kitchen can be big $$ and a buyer will be looking to save if there are immediate updates needed.

6 years ago I put in a new kitchen. The cabinetry and appliances are way over the top for the neighborhood but I plan on dying here. To me it doesn't matter if it's over valued for the neighborhood because I get to enjoy it.
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Your floor is gorgeous, really gorgeous. My choice would be solid black granite;
as black granite would mirror the reflective beauty that your floor has.
Below is a sample I pulled off the Internet.

Now for your cabs...I like the style of your cabs they are similar to mine,
which is shaker design. Flat panels and straight styles ( not cathedral tops)
What I think would be nice is to either have them painted a creamy white or
refinished to a deeper warmer brown.

I'm not sure what some posters mean in their description of granite.
We have real granite, not 20% granite. It's Creme' Bouleoux (sp?- like the wine)

how much light do you get in your kitchen? I see beyond the kitchen
you have nice windows allowing a fair amount of light coming in.
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One more thing...could you show more pics of your kitchen, the top
cabs and the other side?

My granite...the backsplash is mirror that's why you see two of everything.

Granite like this with a lot of movement in my opinion would be fighting your
beautiful floor, where as a solid reflective black would further enhance your
floor.
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Vocabulary time.

"Granite" counter tops are stone counter tops that are mined out of the ground like a giant loaf of bread and then sliced up into slabs. They can be very inexpensive in some colors and very expensive in some colors. It's a supply and demand thing. In my market, they range from around $38 to well over $150 per square foot for some exotics that are rare and have interesting movement to the stone. The darker stones usually are less porous and won't need to be sealed. The lighter stones are generally more porous and will require some type of stone sealer to be used periodically.


"Quartz" is a term used to describe a man made stone which is 93% quartz crystals of different sizes and 7% acrylic resins as a binder. It's heat resistant, scratch resistant, and stain resistant. Note: resistant. Not "proof". The price range of quartz in my market runs from about $40 a square foot installed for some Asian produced brands to close to $100 a square foot for the priciest of the brands, which is usually Ceasarstone. Cambria is the only major brand to be manufactured in the United States.




Laminate is an industry term for a product composed of different layers of paper impregnated with resins and usually applied to a particle board substrate. Many are more familiar with the term Formica to describe it, but that is actually a name brand, not a category descriptor, much like Kleenex has become the generic term for facial tissue. Wilsonart, Nevamar, and other also produce laminates that are used for countertops. The top decorative paper in the laminate sandwich can appear to be many different materials beyond just the solid color like the ivory that your counters are currently. It can appear to be wood, granite, marble, or even grass or coffee beans. It ranges in cost from about $10 a foot for a blank solid color slab from one of the discount stores that you have to fabricate yourself to around $45 a foot for a specialty finish with a specialty edge (like the WilsonartHD shown above) fabricated and installed. If you don't have the skills to DIY a laminate counter, then you can very easily be in the bottom tier of stone counters when you are comparing installed price to installed price. I've quoted many a counter that was but a few hundred dollars difference, and in one memorable custom counter situation, was 1K above the stone counter, apples to apples.



The suggestion was to use a laminate that appears to be stone like to tie into your stone floors. Alternatively, you could do a dark granite tile counter as well, as the seams in dark granite are less apparent than in the lighter colors. Those would both fit your kitchen's bones.

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