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Old 10-27-2013, 04:05 PM   #16
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I would like to see some examples of what you mean online preferably. Are you referring to something to gets placed over the existing countertop ? I guess I'm not sure what you mean.
No. You have to pull the existing counter top to replace them with some kind of composite material. As for the cabinets, they would pull the doors, put new Veneer on the frames, and then install new doors, handles & pulls.

The counter is fine if it is say a rental or Weekend condo, that you are just using as sleeping space. But really if you have gone to the expense of the type of marble flooring that you have, take it up a notch and replace the counters & reface the cabinets.

Add to that, Tile backsplash along the wall that the stove is on, or tile all the way across the wall. Really need to take it from what appears to be a project that stopped halfway through, to the finished product.

Go around and look at open houses in higher end neighborhoods, or start searching online. Also the Kitchen redo shows on DIY Channel, are pretty good about giving some ideas.

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No. You have to pull the existing counter top to replace them with some kind of composite material. As for the cabinets, they would pull the doors, put new Veneer on the frames, and then install new doors, handles & pulls. The counter is fine if it is say a rental or Weekend condo, that you are just using as sleeping space. But really if you have gone to the expense of the type of marble flooring that you have, take it up a notch and replace the counters & reface the cabinets. Add to that, Tile backsplash along the wall that the stove is on, or tile all the way across the wall. Really need to take it from what appears to be a project that stopped halfway through, to the finished product. Go around and look at open houses in higher end neighborhoods, or start searching online. Also the Kitchen redo shows on DIY Channel, are pretty good about giving some ideas.
Personally we think the cabinets look fine. Plus we just replaced the handles and pulls last year. we would have to see how most people have their kitchen set up. So you think because we have granite floors that the countertops (even though they are already composite) should be replaced with composite? We would like to see some pics of kitchens set up like mine and what they did with their countertops. We were thinking of going with the same style and color brown granite that our floors have for the countertops one day. We would go away from composite 100% since that's what we have now. Composite countertops with a granite floor as a remodel project wouldn't be our plan unless We can see how it looks.
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The cabinets are dated, is why I have stated a couple of times that they need to be refaced. As for what others have, you are again best to go around to some open houses in your area, in higher end neighborhoods and look at what they have done to the Kitchens in them.

Even just repainting the fronts of the existing cabinets can make a big change in the appearance of what you have.

But really putting down the Granite flooring, does not fit into what you have as a kitchen, or how the existing rooms look like.

If you want it to pop, you are going to have to follow the advice given, and start putting some money into bringing the Kitchen up to meet what the flooring looks like, otherwise it is going to keep looking like an experiment that does not fit into the home.

You have a modern floor that does not really fit into the current Kitchen style, along with the style of the other rooms.
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The cabinets are dated, is why I have stated a couple of times that they need to be refaced. As for what others have, you are again best to go around to some open houses in your area, in higher end neighborhoods and look at what they have done to the Kitchens in them. Even just repainting the fronts of the existing cabinets can make a big change in the appearance of what you have. But really putting down the Granite flooring, does not fit into what you have as a kitchen, or how the existing rooms look like. If you want it to pop, you are going to have to follow the advice given, and start putting some money into bringing the Kitchen up to meet what the flooring looks like, otherwise it is going to keep looking like an experiment that does not fit into the home. You have a modern floor that does not really fit into the current Kitchen style, along with the style of the other rooms.
Others have a different opinion though. We have solid wood flooring throughout. We have updates in all of our rooms to make it pop. One day when we decide on selling the flooring throughout our home will be what makes or breaks a higher offer in our opinion. Nobody has a floor like this that we have seen. It's very unique. The next owner will appreciate the time and effort we have placed in just the flooring. Could you imagine modem cabinets and countertops with vinyl flooring? That house would never sell.

If they want different countertops and cabinets they can make that choice, but we don't live in a million dollar home either. Bits and pieces of a modern look along with what we did make people drop their jaw when they walk in. That tells us a little bit from experience. I do appreciate your opinion and your time.
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That is the problem. You placed a flooring material, that you would expect in a $500K or higher home, in a lower end home, without doing all of the other work that is needed. Instead of arguing against the ideas others are trying to give you, is why you came asking in the first place, just do it.

When a person is purchasing at the home, the first thing they are looking at is how sound the structure is. That means, are there any signs of water intrusion, insect damage, rotting structural members, moisture issues that are noticeable around doors and windows.

Second is how good the Electrical is, then Hvac, then plumbing, not necessarily in that order, but those are then next after structure. Then they look at are they going to have to make any changes to stuff like flooring, paint color, Kitchens & Baths, basement if finished or unfinished, garage.

Most buyers are going to go into a home, and change the room colors, if they do not like the Kitchen & Bath, they will tend to gut them and redo them the way they want.

What you have is a half finished project, that is about 35% of the way along, that needs finished, not just using as a demo of what you can do with a certain flooring material.

Suggest refacing the cabinets, change the counter to a more upscale material like Composite, Concrete, but stay away for the Formica style counter which will show that again you did not want to put forth the expense, or that you ran out of money. Also doing a backsplash where the stove is, is going to make it pop.

You never did show what the lighting looks like, so no one even knows what you did if you did to the Kitchen for task lighting.
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That is the problem. You placed a flooring material, that you would expect in a $500K or higher home, in a lower end home, without doing all of the other work that is needed. Instead of arguing against the ideas others are trying to give you, is why you came asking in the first place, just do it. When a person is purchasing at the home, the first thing they are looking at is how sound the structure is. That means, are there any signs of water intrusion, insect damage, rotting structural members, moisture issues that are noticeable around doors and windows. Second is how good the Electrical is, then Hvac, then plumbing, not necessarily in that order, but those are then next after structure. Then they look at are they going to have to make any changes to stuff like flooring, paint color, Kitchens & Baths, basement if finished or unfinished, garage. Most buyers are going to go into a home, and change the room colors, if they do not like the Kitchen & Bath, they will tend to gut them and redo them the way they want. What you have is a half finished project, that is about 35% of the way along, that needs finished, not just using as a demo of what you can do with a certain flooring material. Suggest refacing the cabinets, change the counter to a more upscale material like Composite, Concrete, but stay away for the Formica style counter which will show that again you did not want to put forth the expense, or that you ran out of money. Also doing a backsplash where the stove is, is going to make it pop. You never did show what the lighting looks like, so no one even knows what you did if you did to the Kitchen for task lighting.
We have seen a granite floor on all kinds of homes. It's just personal taste. This floor will never have to be replaced which adds a ton of value within itself. Again thanks for your time. Appreciate the info. In the end a home will always have something to add or fix or update.
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That is a very nice looking floor you have there. I don't have a problem with the cabinets. From the photo, I don't have a problem with the countertop either, but I know sometimes cheap laminate countertop can look like cheap laminate countertop. IMHO, if you stay with a stone with a moderate pattern, granite countertops will not make your kitchen overpowering. But take a look also at Quartz ---about the same price, but almost zero porosity. The one thing that scares me about granite countertops is that they can absorb liquids and stain. For sure you need to seal granite, but that does not guarantee no staining.
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That is a very nice looking floor you have there. I don't have a problem with the cabinets. From the photo, I don't have a problem with the countertop either, but I know sometimes cheap laminate countertop can look like cheap laminate countertop. IMHO, if you stay with a stone with a moderate pattern, granite countertops will not make your kitchen overpowering. But take a look also at Quartz ---about the same price, but almost zero porosity. The one thing that scares me about granite countertops is that they can absorb liquids and stain. For sure you need to seal granite, but that does not guarantee no staining.
Granite counter tops do not come as solid Granite, they come as a composite, with the Granite chips in a Resin, so that you do not have to seal them. Also those cabinets are dated, and that countertop does not go with the flooring. To me it appears they ran out of money, or got the flooring material for a great price, and did not want to do anything else with the Kitchen, so they stopped mid project.
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Granite counter tops do not come as solid Granite, they come as a composite, with the Granite chips in a Resin, so that you do not have to seal them.
Interesting. So it's not a solid slab of granite? Or is that possible, but just much more expensive?
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We have seen a granite floor on all kinds of homes. It's just personal taste. This floor will never have to be replaced which adds a ton of value within itself. Again thanks for your time. Appreciate the info. In the end a home will always have something to add or fix or update.
I am sorry, but I have only seen Granite flooring materials in upscale homes, all kinds of homes as you stated. Those that do use Granite, will also make the room that it is used in to match the upscale material, not as you keep placing an excuse that it is fine to do what you have done.

To me it is nothing more than that you are show casing the flooring material, but did not have the money to finish the Kitchen with upscale cabinets, counters and tiled, stone or glass material backsplash.

If I was to walk in and see this Kitchen floor, the first thing I would think, is what was the homeowner thinking, and why didn't they finish the rest of the project. Most times you will end up seeing the next homeowner tearing it all out, to make it theirs, not keep what the last person did.

You came here for suggestions, but are not wanting them, so I consider this topic as closed at this point, because all you want to do is argue against any suggestions that have been given.
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I am sorry, but I have only seen Granite flooring materials in upscale homes, all kinds of homes as you stated. Those that do use Granite, will also make the room that it is used in to match the upscale material, not as you keep placing an excuse that it is fine to do what you have done. To me it is nothing more than that you are show casing the flooring material, but did not have the money to finish the Kitchen with upscale cabinets, counters and tiled, stone or glass material backsplash. If I was to walk in and see this Kitchen floor, the first thing I would think, is what was the homeowner thinking, and why didn't they finish the rest of the project. Most times you will end up seeing the next homeowner tearing it all out, to make it theirs, not keep what the last person did. You came here for suggestions, but are not wanting them, so I consider this topic as closed at this point, because all you want to do is argue against any suggestions that have been given.
No arguments here sir. It's just that you keep drilling the fact that your opinion is the only one that counts which is false. I came here for suggestions. So far it's 70/30 to leave it as is. To me you sound like a pricey contractor who keeps pushing upgrades vs leaving something that looks just fine. I have opinions just like you. That's what makes up a forum. Instead of saying let's close this topic just simply ignore it.

I value your input, but please do not keep drilling me here.
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Interesting. So it's not a solid slab of granite? Or is that possible, but just much more expensive?
No, they are not solid cut Granite, unless you want to pay more. Majority of the countertops you see are going to be a resin with ground up Quartz in them. Granite will be solid material, because it is a harder type of stone then Quartz and does not fracture easily like Quartz will. Also Granite is still going to be sealed, but Quartz countertops do not need to be, because again they are not a solid material, but they are bits of Quartz in a Resin.
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No, they are not solid cut Granite, unless you want to pay more. Majority of the countertops you see are going to be a resin with ground up Quartz in them. Granite will be solid material, because it is a harder type of stone then Quartz and does not fracture easily like Quartz will. Also Granite is still going to be sealed, but Quartz countertops do not need to be, because again they are not a solid material, but they are bits of Quartz in a Resin.
Thanks. I never knew granite countertops are 20% granite.
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He's being blunt, but I somewhat agree with Greg here. So, I'll be less diplomatic as well.

I said leave the counters as is because they are appropriate to the cabinets as is. Both are entry level home materials, which is fine if the home is an entry level home. The floors are the odd man out in the decor. It would be a waste of money to put granite on those cabinets. They really aren't up to that standard.

If you were to do a remodel and replace the cabinets and update the design, then granite or a quartz like Cambria would be an appropriate choice for a counter material, but only if the level of the rest of the home supports such a remodel. If the home is in a mid grade home neighborhood and not an entry level home neighborhood, the choosing more upscale choices can be appropriate.

You cannot upgrade a home one element at a time into a different category than your neighborhood supports. It wastes your money, and won't work with the actual bones of the home. The only reason that would justify you doing that is the amount of pleasure or utility it gives you. You won't see any return on the expenditure.
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He's being blunt, but I somewhat agree with Greg here. So, I'll be less diplomatic as well. I said leave the counters as is because they are appropriate to the cabinets as is. Both are entry level home materials, which is fine if the home is an entry level home. The floors are the odd man out in the decor. It would be a waste of money to put granite on those cabinets. They really aren't up to that standard. If you were to do a remodel and replace the cabinets and update the design, then granite or a quartz like Cambria would be an appropriate choice for a counter material, but only if the level of the rest of the home supports such a remodel. If the home is in a mid grade home neighborhood and not an entry level home neighborhood, the choosing more upscale choices can be appropriate. You cannot upgrade a home one element at a time into a different category than your neighborhood supports. It wastes your money, and won't work with the actual bones of the home. The only reason that would justify you doing that is the amount of pleasure or utility it gives you. You won't see any return on the expenditure.
. I'm lost as to what you mean by granite cabinets?

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Should we rip out the existing countertop or place the new ones right over them? What about 12x12 granite tiles over the existing countertops?

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