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Old 02-07-2009, 03:30 PM   #1
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Hello,

This project seems straightforward but I intend to tile the area behind my stove and above counters, under cabinets.

Is backer board required or can the tiles go straight onto the painted sheetrock?

I'm using 6x6 inch porcelein tiles. Also, is there a preferred sealer or grout for this project?

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Old 02-07-2009, 03:42 PM   #2
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over the drywall should be just fine. I can not think of any reason you would need a backer board.Just get the grout recomended for the joint size you are going to use. non sanded for narrow joints/ sanded for wider joints, the grout package will say what size of joint it is for.

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Apologies to the moderator if I posted in wrong spot.

I appreciate the response. I recently painted and wasn't sure if installing right on top would cause any risk of them eventually falling off. Then when I saw one of those home improvement shows they always have on Saturdays, they installed that 1/4 backer board (the new brownish colored stuff) before their tiles. So, I wasn't sure.

That will save some time and a few bucks.

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over the drywall should be just fine. I can not think of any reason you would need a backer board.Just get the grout recomended for the joint size you are going to use. non sanded for narrow joints/ sanded for wider joints, the grout package will say what size of joint it is for.

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thinset would be better for larger tiles. Rough sand the paint first for better adhesion. Still better to use 1/4" CBU but not required for residential work.
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You can tile right over the drywall. Use a modified thinset like Mapei Ultraflex II. For the grout, keep your joints 1/8" or (preferred) 1/16". You don't seal glazed porcelain tile. When you trowel the thinset, use a horizontal stroke. It will help the tile from wanting to slide downward. You have a choice for grout. You can use a standard unsanded grout and then seal it or get an epoxy based grout that is stain-proof and never needs to be sealed. Laticrete SpectraLOCK is one sold at Lowes. Mapei Opticolor is another but harder to find.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...-EA&lpage=none

http://www2.dupont.com/Stone_Tech_Pr...ut_sealer.html

http://www.spectralock.com/

http://www.mapei.us/PDF/news/2007/Opticolor_Grout.pdf
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Angus,

Hey, I appreciate the help!

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You can tile right over the drywall. Use a modified thinset like Mapei Ultraflex II. For the grout, keep your joints 1/8" or (preferred) 1/16". You don't seal glazed porcelain tile. When you trowel the thinset, use a horizontal stroke. It will help the tile from wanting to slide downward. You have a choice for grout. You can use a standard unsanded grout and then seal it or get an epoxy based grout that is stain-proof and never needs to be sealed. Laticrete SpectraLOCK is one sold at Lowes. Mapei Opticolor is another but harder to find.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...-EA&lpage=none

http://www2.dupont.com/Stone_Tech_Pr...ut_sealer.html

http://www.spectralock.com/

http://www.mapei.us/PDF/news/2007/Opticolor_Grout.pdf
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Thanks,

I will go with the better safe than sorry approach and use the CBU. Small area anyway.

Thanks,
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Hello,

I am just now getting my supplies to do this job since the tiles aren't due in til tonight anyway. Now, I am beginning to cut the hardibacker stuff and before I go making holes for the outlets, I wanted to get some advice.

I am concerned as to how the outlets will attach. At initial glance, it would seem I leave enough lip on the backer, pull the outlets out but once I put the tiles, that would then leave them inset and the covers would not attach.

So, the other option that comes to mind is actually insetting the outlets so they set on the backerboard with the tiles cut around them, rather than hidding by the covers.

Otherwise, I do not know how I would attach the outlets to the tiles.

Appreciate any help.

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You set the outlet OVER the tile. Also, if you have GFI style outlets, you may need to notch for cover screw.
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Cut the tile and backer board the same size as the box itself. Buy box extensions and longer 6/32" screws. The box extensions will bring the box out flush with the tile and allow the outlet to screw securely
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Probably goes without saying, but put your cut tiles as the top tiles just underneath the cabinets and in the least visible corners.
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Thanks. No, it doesn't go without saying, however I did think of it. Fortunately, I chose a 6x6 inch porcelein tile that fits 2 side by side (up and down), closing the 12.5 inch gap perfectly with adequate spacing. I'm using 1/4 inch spacers.

I think I am using a floor tile though....not sure. They are about 1/4 thick. Got em at home depot.

If you guys are curious to see, I will begin some pictures to post.

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Thanks. No, it doesn't go without saying, however I did think of it. Fortunately, I chose a 6x6 inch porcelein tile that fits 2 side by side (up and down), closing the 12.5 inch gap perfectly with adequate spacing. I'm using 1/4 inch spacers.

I think I am using a floor tile though....not sure. They are about 1/4 thick. Got em at home depot.

If you guys are curious to see, I will begin some pictures to post.

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They are about 1/4 thick.
That's awfully thick. I usually do 1/16".
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That's awfully thick. I usually do 1/16".
Agreed smaller the better especially on counters and backsplashes.

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