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Jim F 03-06-2011 01:07 PM

How best to patch this wall?
 
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As well as how best to mount this outlet?

I am in the process of installing a new dedicated 15 amp outlet for the refrigerator as recommended. It could just as easily be a 20 amp but I have just enough 14/2 conductgor left over to do it this way.

On to my main question. What is in the wall is an old cement based product that crumbles easily. Refer to my other thread http://www.diychatroom.com/f49/kitchen-95288/ . You can see that my walls are not conventional. Here it looks like there are cinderblocke sitting on top of a wood beam. On top of those two courses will be the large beam that sits on top of the cinderblocks in the other thread pictures. I wasn't expecting to find that. Conventional wisdom dictates that I should open this up enough to find the wall studs and frame in for a replacement section of drywall.

The problem is there are no studs in at the level where the cinderblocks are. There is the concrete that fills in behind and in front of the steel mesh. Could I use thinset mortar to fill in this space? Or should I just keep chipping away untill I find studs to attach drywall?

I think I can just grab the steel mesh with the wings of the old work box I have.

oh'mike 03-06-2011 01:47 PM

I suggest Durrabond--20 minute-(powdered bag mix)---Just trowel several coats,top with blue for easier sanding--

Ron6519 03-06-2011 09:49 PM

Better to mount the outlet box about 5' off the ground. It gives you a range to pull out the fridge.
Ron

Jim F 03-07-2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron6519 (Post 604090)
Better to mount the outlet box about 5' off the ground. It gives you a range to pull out the fridge.
Ron

The refrigerator cord comes out the bottom left of the unit. How does 5 ft from floor improve my range?

Ron6519 03-07-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim F (Post 604346)
The refrigerator cord comes out the bottom left of the unit. How does 5 ft from floor improve my range?

It doesn't.
Ron

JCarsten 03-07-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by oh'mike (Post 603703)
I suggest Durrabond--20 minute-(powdered bag mix)---Just trowel several coats,top with blue for easier sanding--

That's the fix I use. Mix it up fairly thick for the first coat and lay it on heavy.

Jim F 03-07-2011 09:12 PM

Do they sell Durabond 20 at Lowes or HD? I really am limited locally.

JCarsten 03-08-2011 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim F (Post 604877)
Do they sell Durabond 20 at Lowes or HD? I really am limited locally.

Yes comes in a white or brown bag. Should be in the aisle with drywall. There will be several different kinds- 5,20,45,120, etc. The number represents how much working time you have before it sets up. Make sure to grab the right one.

Jim F 03-08-2011 06:02 PM

All I found at lowes was the Sheetrock Easy Sand 90. I did finally find a hardware store that sells Durabond 90. I don't know if we've been hit harder than most by the recession but it seems like a lot of the so called supply stores in my area have a growing list of products that once sold, but no longer carry because the demand dropped off. I also found Plaster of Paris in a local paint store but I don't know if that would work the same or not.

oh'mike 03-08-2011 06:13 PM

Depot has the 20 and 45--even 5 minute(That will get hard as you mix it)

The 90 will work --but 1 1/2 hours between coats? O.K. if there is an all night Indiana Jones marathon going on.-----Mike---

Mop in Hand 03-09-2011 11:07 AM

If you are not going to run that wire the way it should be done, the very least you can do is protect it with conduit, rather than just mud over it.

oh'mike 03-09-2011 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mop in Hand (Post 605936)
If you are not going to run that wire the way it should be done, the very least you can do is protect it with conduit, rather than just mud over it.

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Jim F 03-09-2011 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mop in Hand (Post 605936)
If you are not going to run that wire the way it should be done, the very least you can do is protect it with conduit, rather than just mud over it.

It may be hard to tell by the picture but there is steel mesh and going to be a half inch of Durabond 90 (90 was all I could find anywhere I'll wait) covering that conductor. They typically run through a wall cavity behind 1/2 inch of drywall. The wood beam is notch to accommodate the wire. I'm confident it will be well protected otherwise your conduit suggestion is a good one.


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