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Old 10-25-2012, 07:09 PM   #16
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yup, built on site would be no particle board involved, and real wood doors.
But without seeing the photos or a link to the cabinets, is not fair for me to slam the contractor for the $2k installation of them.
I suspect is high, but no info no opinion.

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Old 10-25-2012, 07:18 PM   #17
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It is my understanding they are not building them on-site, but I'll have to verify that.

My feeling is I could probably save a boatload of money by just going to Ikea and probably getting the same quality for far less. It is my understanding that they just put them together - something my husband can easily do out of a box as well, like I believe they are doing. But i will verify that.

We don't even have pictures of the pantry/cabinet yet. The contractor was supposed to email them to us...but we are still waiting.

Believe me, you are not slamming anyone. Maybe I just expected too much. I have minimal experience with contractors/home improvement.
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All Ikea cabinets are partical board.
Ever been on the website and down loaded there free design program?
It lets to just plug in your dementions and add any cabinet they sell, then you can see it in 3D.
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Thanks Joe. That will be fun to check out.

We are charging up our camera and will post the picture of the wooden mess in our kitchen tomorrow.

You guys are all the best. So helpful. Thanks!
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Well, I'll attempt to get the picture up here later this morning.

What I would like to add upon further thought, is to say is that although the contractor himself did not do the kitchen installation, he would NOT remove the rotten wood, even after he saw it, until I created quite a scene. We are having them finish up the floors and wall splash and cancelling all further work - a few more things they were going to do around here. That scene told me all I need to know.
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In the future, rather than creating a scene just tell the contractor, who is responsible for the subcontract work, that deteriorating wood is unacceptable and you won't pay for it. Don't ever pay 100% up front as you loose quite a bit of bargaining potential. As far as Angie's or similar lists, they list paying members, it's no guarantee of anything but. I'd rather get a referral and talk to past customers.

As far as the cabinets, he's probably farming out the construction to a cabinet shop. The details of what they are made of should be clear in the contract. If not, have then redo the contract until it is clear.
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IKEA Swedish for particle board.
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Why do quartz countertops need any sort of wood (particle board or otherwise) under them?? My granite ones sit right on top of the cabinets; there's nothing else underneath them. Two of my kids have them and theirs are the same way.
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Hi Jasper,

I had to create a scene. The CONTRACTOR himself told me he would NOT remove the particle board that was rotting and falling apart under the countertop. I am positive that if I had not created a scene, that rotten board would STILL be there. That told me all I needed to know about his work ethics.

Dealing with this contractor has been a total nightmare. I won't even go into what else has transpired. But yesterday was very stressful. We cancelled the cabnets, which he had previously SAID we could do, but then he told us he wants to negotiate with us a credit for the cabinets - for materials we never purchased. In fact he never ever sent us the "promised" email with information/pics of the cabinet. Huh? I won't even go into detail. Aside from other stuff that happened, like the wrong measuring of the the flooring and midway through the job him telling us we have to pay extra for more tiles (which we refused; not our fault they cannot measure correctly), It was exasperating, but he finally got it - that we're not paying for cabinets we never purchased. There were other aggravations as well - everything was a fight with this contractor instead of his owning up to errors done. But years ago we had work done by Home Dept and Lowes and never had this kind of aggravation. It's just not worth it.

I won't be posting anymore, because all I'm doing is complaining and being negative; I'm really aware of that and it bothers me. Bottom line: we paid for work done and they won't get an extra penny out of us.

Suffice it to say, thanks for the great advice from everyone, and if I ever, ever need home improvement done again, I will really be on my toes. I had heard of nightmare stories from so many people time and time again. I never thought it could be this bad.

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I understand the frustration and complaining but just remember whether it's oral or written it's a contract based upon a meeting of the minds. Obviously written is better and the only way to go. Also remember that you are in possession of the other half of the equation, the money. Rather than getting your blood pressure up in the future just remind them that you won't pay for substandard work. The excitement can be all his but if he's smart he'll just fix it. It doesn't sound like he's too smart but maybe smart enough to learn.

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