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Old 07-27-2010, 07:21 PM   #1
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Wow. I thought it would be so simple!


Ok I actually had no illusions it would be simple. I simply thought somebody else was going to do it. Budget decided otherwise.
I am about to start prepping for a foundation. 4' ICF frost wall on a 20" footer. and I need to place the main waste pipe and incoming water lines before the guy's show up to help me with the foundation.

If I uploaded an image of the floorplan would anybody point me in the right direction?

All I know at this stage is I need to put in a 4" waste pipe and it needs to drop 1/4" for every foot of run.
The pink line is where I "think" it should be...but I have no idea.
I have a ton of plumbing books out from the library and none of them mention this starting point and all of them assume it will be running to a city sewer. It aint.

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Is your septic system in?

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Hi LateralConcepts.
Thanks for responding.
Thats really cool.


Nope no septic in and probably won't be any time soon.
This is, for the time being, a seasonal building, with a composting toilet and a line to a holding tank in the greenhouse.
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Make a straight line out of the house if you can. There's no reason to have extra bends inside the perimeter of the house. You can make offsets outside, because these are where the system will clog first if it's going to. If you have them outside it is easier to clean the line.
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composting toilet and a line to a holding tank in the greenhouse.
Gross! Won't be eatin' any of your veggies... just teasin'
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You can make offsets outside, because these are where the system will clog first if it's going to. If you have them outside it is easier to clean the line.
Keep in mind the location of your future septic system however. You won't want to end up wrapping the line clear around the house
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:55 PM   #6
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Carrot anyone?

Anyone who has advice to offer will receive a "Special" basket of vegetables!

Ya...not being used on the plants...just a convenient place to put the tank. And besides, If I put the tank in the ground...oh my...break out the engineers and code issues. I have to have an approved tank with lazer beams to kill any wayward water particles that might escape and kill millions of innocent people with my contaminated dish water.

If I keep the tank above ground I can run it into a bloody rubbermaid garbage can if I want to...which I won't. I have a nice 1400 gallon tank for that.

Don't get me wrong...I get it. But for my purposes the massive underground holding tank is overkill. We don't use 20 gallons a day between the two of us. I know the number because I am currently bucketing the water out to my trees. (don't tell "the man"!)

So in the end I may never have a below grade holding tank. (can't have a septic tank/field due to soil conditions)

I do get the point of keeping it simple with a straight line. So maybe take the pipe out beside the interior partition wall and make the turn (a gentle one) to the greenhouse.

I am also not finding any info about if the pipe has to make a straight drop down and then under the footing or I can put it through the frost wall.
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Make sure you install a sleeve through the wall that the exiting pipe will go through , just don't install the pipe through the wall.
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A sleeve makes sense. How much bigger? PVC?
I wonder if its even logical to do this given the cold temps where I live. Will a shallow exit point cause me grief? Or is the water leaving the structure warm enough that it simply doesn't have a chance to freeze?

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Should go under the footing. Frost line here is about 32". Check with your local building department/plumbing bureau for your area.

Either way in theory it should never freeze unless given a reason to. i.e., blockage causing standing water, or excessive condensation during super cold weather.
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Hi Brad,
Well, frost line is about 6' here. But I can build a 4' frost wall and make the code folks happy. Don't ask..I don't have a clue. I just follow the rules.

So If I go under the footer That would put it roughly 5' under ground. Then I have to run it to a holding tank which drops it even further. In my case it has to be about 70' away. that takes it to about six and a half feet below grade. WOW. I am digging a grave here not moving a few gallons of water. I would be better off with a bucket under the sink and walk it over when it's full!
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I'm in Central Alberta Canada.....turn left at the dead Moose.
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I'm in Central Alberta Canada.....turn left at the dead Moose.
LOL you mean roadkill or is that a local bar?
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both!...and a tasty after beaver trapping snack.
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Nice! I haven't run a trap line in about 15 years. I'd like to get back into that. Used to trap fox, coyote, beaver, muskrat. Hardly worth the work anymore as far as money goes. Still fun though.

Anyway, just brought back some good memories. Don't mean to get off topic.

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