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billyg 11-11-2011 06:41 PM

"waxless" toilet flanges
 
Need any and all opinions on the "waxless" flanges...specifically the Fernco brands.. Anybody have any experience with these...Good or bad?
Thanks

raleighthings 11-12-2011 12:10 AM

First. I am NOT a plumber.

I switched to a waxless horn setup 10 to 15 years ago as the wax wasn't working in my house. There was enough season to season flex in my 1961 house that the toilets would not stay flat to the floor year round. And so we would have some rocking that would change throughout the year. Shim it to fix and 6 months later it would have to be done again. And so the wax always leaked after a few months. Smell and all.

So I put in a horn setup from I think Lowes (one where a large rubber ring washer seals the horn to the drain pipe) PLUS I used exterior window flashing seal to make a seat between the toilet and the tile floor. This is a rubber like material about 6" wide that comes on a roll with one side having an adhesive. I put this down around the toilet, installed the toilet, trimmed the rubber with a knife, the put a bead of caulk around the base. Have had no issues for over a decade. I'm sure the floor still flexes season to season but the rubber seal under the toilet and the horn keep it all firm and tight.

bob22 11-12-2011 07:55 AM

Billi, why do you want to use one instead of the wax?

billyg 11-12-2011 07:03 PM

I'm always trying to look for something potentially better... I presume you feel the tried and true wax system is all that's needed?

VIPlumber 11-12-2011 07:24 PM

Never tried this rigid looking type of ring, but one immediate problem I see is that on the Amazon comment section people mention they'd glued it onto the bottom of the toilet, etc... and how the heck is it ever going to come off again? Also if it truly is rigid then the mating surface better be perfectly smooth (bottom of toilet) to get a perfect seal. And they rarely are.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something though.

raleighthings 11-12-2011 07:28 PM

The ones you get at Lowes and such have a very thick rubber O Ring that you put on it and force it down into the drain. The horn is a rubberized material that the toilet fits down into.

AZwoman 12-18-2015 11:51 PM

I think it's a neater, cleaner experience. I am putting in a new toilet before I do the flooring and I believe it can come out and then be replaced with the new flooring without buying another one. My PROBLEM is I bought a 3" and I cannot "feel the seal". I'm thinking I should have bought the 3 1/2 inch size. I can't get the seal off. Does anybody have any ideas on how to remove this? It went on nice and easily on my brand new toilet.

AZwoman 12-18-2015 11:54 PM

:vs_worry: I know I will need to remove the toilet and remeasure the hole. If I am right I bought the wrong size, I'll have to remove it and put on the larger one. Right now it just slips in and out and is not "stuck" at all.

Ghostmaker 12-19-2015 10:57 PM

https://www.simplyplumbing.com/catal...FYMbHwod-M4EAg

Is this what your referring to?

It doesn't actually attach to the lower pipe it seals by the outer rubber rings.

I have had mine in use for over 5 years with no issues.

It is made to be removable so you can remove your toilet if you need to snake the drain.

The 3 inch one is for the inside of 3 inch pipe that measures 3.5 inches out side to outside.

The 4 inch one is made for the inside diameter of 4 inch pipe.

AZwoman 12-22-2015 03:32 PM

Yes, that is it. I know it seals to the toilet, but it should also seal tightly within the pipe. I did remeasure and the pipe is 3". It should certainly fit tight enough that sewer gases can't escape. I think the toilet sits too high and only the bottom part of the fenco goes into the hole of the pipe maybe. The instructions say you should feel the seal. That doesn't happen when I put the toilet down. It sits on the existing flooring just like the toilet I removed. Maybe the hole to the toilet is actually higher on this toilet therefore further away from the entrance of the pipe>

rjniles 12-22-2015 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raleighthings (Post 769153)
First. I am NOT a plumber.

I switched to a waxless horn setup 10 to 15 years ago as the wax wasn't working in my house. There was enough season to season flex in my 1961 house that the toilets would not stay flat to the floor year round. And so we would have some rocking that would change throughout the year. Shim it to fix and 6 months later it would have to be done again. And so the wax always leaked after a few months. Smell and all.

So I put in a horn setup from I think Lowes (one where a large rubber ring washer seals the horn to the drain pipe) PLUS I used exterior window flashing seal to make a seat between the toilet and the tile floor. This is a rubber like material about 6" wide that comes on a roll with one side having an adhesive. I put this down around the toilet, installed the toilet, trimmed the rubber with a knife, the put a bead of caulk around the base. Have had no issues for over a decade. I'm sure the floor still flexes season to season but the rubber seal under the toilet and the horn keep it all firm and tight.

It's a mistake to totally seal around the toilet base. If you have a seal leak you want to see it before it rots your floor.


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