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Old 07-20-2013, 10:42 PM   #46
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V.... Lack of venting causes gurgglihg, glug-gluging, and siphoning of your P traps. It can not stop up complete drainage.

It is not strange to see some air seepage initially in a clog.... your drain was full of air before the clog.... when it fills up with water, the air has to go somewhere,,,, maybe up a vent,,, or maybe up a P-trap and out your toilet.

While it;s not right, it is not uncommon in a new build that some construction debris got down into a building drain.... while it is not enough to prevent water flow, it is enough to trap toilet paper/debris, which will temporaily clog your drain....

Do what you want.... Sue the builder... Tear off drywall looking for venting... or scope the drain. Just my opinion....

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V.... Lack of venting causes gurgglihg, glug-gluging, and siphoning of your P traps. It can not stop up complete drainage.

It is not strange to see some air seepage initially in a clog.... your drain was full of air before the clog.... when it fills up with water, the air has to go somewhere,,,, maybe up a vent,,, or maybe up a P-trap and out your toilet.

While it;s not right, it is not uncommon in a new build that some construction debris got down into a building drain.... while it is not enough to prevent water flow, it is enough to trap toilet paper/debris, which will temporaily clog your drain....

Do what you want.... Sue the builder... Tear off drywall looking for venting... or scope the drain. Just my opinion....
So, in your opinion, air could only cause a clog if nothing is found in the pipe? So, it's everything but air unless there is absolutely nothing in the pipe during the inspection?

Speaking of clogs, did I mention that the toilet drains fine right now? the issue is all gone. Another clog that dissolved on it's own.
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This time, were using one of the showers upstairs at the time. Got a lot more water out.

Toilet was flushing and all was good. I took a shower and all seemed normal.

Then my wife went to clean up the bathroom upstairs and used a little bit of water. We noticed a bit higher levels in the toilet. So I flushed again and it filled almost to the brim and was beginning to recede slowly.
When you say using a shower upstairs do you mean on the same floor as this toilet in question?

Next time this happens

CUt into that 3" in the basement and have a look to see if something is partially blocking the flow. You can easily repair with a coupling.

Also you could pull the toilet and see if anything is in the closet bend.
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When you say using a shower upstairs do you mean on the same floor as this toilet in question?

Next time this happens

CUt into that 3" in the basement and have a look to see if something is partially blocking the flow. You can easily repair with a coupling.

Also you could pull the toilet and see if anything is in the closet bend.
2nd floor bathroom was in use when the latest backup occurred (overflowing toilet is on the 1st floor). Its drain is further away from the toilet drain. So if it were a clog it would mean that the main pipe (4 in diam) was fully or almost fully clogged near or close to the main house discharge pipe.

And then, without us using a plunger or anything else to declog, the clog vanishes.

Im wondering if i could get plumbing design for this house. Would these be on file with county code enforcement? (Im living in the unincorporated area)

Are there toilets designed to stop back flow? Im at my wits end now. Have never had any plumbing issues this big.

Edit: notice in the video posted, the water level in the toilet is not rising when the water discharged, only the water bubbles came up.

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You have a restriction somewhere probably outside of the house.
When I say restriction I mean you have :
1) a small clog
2) bend in a pipe
3) fitting installed wrong
4) broken pipe

All of these will allow your water to drain away, but slowly. When you put a heavy water load on your system it is to much for your system to handle with the restriction.

You need to get someone with a camera to scope your lines to find the problem. Make sure you get a good camera company & let them know you want a copy of the video & that the video should show the room they are in before they put the camera in the pipe & after they pull it out. No video no pay.

Are you on city sewer or septic?
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You have a restriction somewhere probably outside of the house.
When I say restriction I mean you have :
1) a small clog
2) bend in a pipe
3) fitting installed wrong
4) broken pipe

All of these will allow your water to drain away, but slowly. When you put a heavy water load on your system it is to much for your system to handle with the restriction.

You need to get someone with a camera to scope your lines to find the problem. Make sure you get a good camera company & let them know you want a copy of the video & that the video should show the room they are in before they put the camera in the pipe & after they pull it out. No video no pay.

Are you on city sewer or septic?
Sewer and also have public water source (not well water). I have requested that the builder's plumber (part of agreement with the builder is that any issue get handled by their plumber, who also installed the pipes) had a video camera and I'll make sure it's recorded, although it may not be.

I may need to hire someone else to do as you suggested. Thanks.

Edit: weird thing is that the heavy load is not always an issue. For the past few weeks we had washer running full blast on heaviest load and did not notice any issues. It's only this past Friday that the issue resurfaced.

The issue is hard to replicate, however. All is running normally as we speak, no issues whatsoever that I see (without a camera, simply judging by flushing and current drainage)

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You may have just had a clog--and it broke up and went away---was there anything unusual happening at the time? Major storm? City working on the sewer?

A camera in the main line should help find the cause----
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I'll go out on a limb here and say that possibly a snake(the reptile) is living in near the discharge to the city sewer and may be crawling into your main and coiling up causing a partial blockage until it does not like the water anymore then it slithers back out into the city sewer.
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need to camera that line all the way to the street. This wiil eliminate ant guessing of pipe condition.

I had concrete down a floor cleanout once. It sat in the bottom 1/3 of the pipe..
No back up until the GC's cleaning crew accidentally flushed a rag down a toilet. which hung on the concrete.
This was a brand new school about to open so I was quite concerned as I thought I had a pipe break under the slab. It took a camera to see the concrete. The concrete crew paid for the repair work.
We had been using the drain for about 3 months before this happened.
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need to camera that line all the way to the street. This wiil eliminate ant guessing of pipe condition.

I had concrete down a floor cleanout once. It sat in the bottom 1/3 of the pipe..
No back up until the GC's cleaning crew accidentally flushed a rag down a toilet. which hung on the concrete.
This was a brand new school about to open so I was quite concerned as I thought I had a pipe break under the slab. It took a camera to see the concrete. The concrete crew paid for the repair work.
We had been using the drain for about 3 months before this happened.
Update today. Plumber found a blckage causing slow leak about 30 ft from my house but before the sewer. So it was definitelly not an issue with plumbing design but is likely construction debris (or maybe something else). Sewer guy will try to find out if possible.
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V.... Thank you Sir for the update.... basically everyone was certain of such.... seldom is there that unimity of opinion... but it sure is nice to know what it was/is.

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I'll go out on a limb here and say that possibly a snake(the reptile) is living in near the discharge to the city sewer and may be crawling into your main and coiling up causing a partial blockage until it does not like the water anymore then it slithers back out into the city sewer.
Hammer... I sure hope my wife does not read your post... she'll never use a bathroom again...
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Yet another update. Yesterday, builder's sewer guy spent almost one day using what looked like 3/4 in -1 in diameter roto rooter with no luck. In the beginning they found something like a diaper in there but after whole day messing around with this, they have called the village to hydro jet their sewer lines at it the clog was right at the connection to the mains.

Hydrojet jetted the line (it was clogged) but we still had a clog/slow drain. The hydrojet guys were very nice and also jetted our home lines (using a hose into the cleanout).

Unfortunately, some of the water returned back (caught all or most of it with a bucket) so there is a suspicion that the T to the mains may be cracked. They are going to examine the line again today with a camera.

Never expected this on a new house and what is unfortunate is that there was no way to foreknow this situation. Home inspector would likely not go past the house cleanout and the plug is slow enough where the back up is only noticeable after we have many faucets running, multiple toilets flushing for a good 30 mins.

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