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Old 07-20-2013, 03:35 PM   #16
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Airlock would only happen if there was no vent.
I would think that without vents thu plumbing would not work at all?

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Ill have to double check with the plumbers but i believe that its a vent pipe.
Turn all your fixtures on on the floors above. Do you hear water running down that? Or better yet turn all the fixtures on and take the cleanout plug out. Do you see water flowing?

I dont know of any plumbing code where that would be a proper way to vent an upper floor laundry, kitchen and bath group.
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Then perhaps you had a partial clog from a previous toilet flush?
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Turn all your fixtures on on the floors above. Do you hear water running down that? Or better yet turn all the fixtures on and take the cleanout plug out. Do you see water flowing?

I dont know of any plumbing code where that would be a proper way to vent an upper floor laundry, kitchen and bath group.
Is this a plumbing code/rule violation (assuming vent pipe in the far right?) or is it just poor design and not a clear violation? Builder provides warrnty for screwups so Id like to make a good case for this. The are now blaming us for causing a blockage even though their plumber found no clog.


Also, do you see an easy fix for this?
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You mentioned that one of the pipes is a toilet. Can you upload a picture of it's piping from the main building drain line to the toilet flange where it meets the floor?

I'm going to assume that the pipe at the end is a drain is for another fixture- I can't see it being a vent. My inspectors would have failed it.
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Then perhaps you had a partial clog from a previous toilet flush?
Well on a brand new house that should not be expected, should it? Also if it were a clog why did the water overflowing toilet bowl not only stop but started to recede when washer was turned off?


Had this been a clog why would it magically flush off through the rest of the pipe without a trace?


Im trying to be open minded but it appears to be a plumbing sys design flaw.
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Well on a brand new house that should not be expected, should it? Also if it were a clog why did the water overflowing toilet bowl not only stop but started to recede when washer was turned off?


Had this been a clog why would it magically flush off through the rest of the pipe without a trace?


Im trying to be open minded but it appears to be a plumbing sys design flaw.
Because it dislodged.... the reason that plunging a sink/toilet often works

If it's a design flaw, why does it not repeat itself under the same conditions?
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When our washer was running/discharging water, first floor toilet started overflowing. It's like the washer water was all going into the toilet.

I suspect we'll need a vent pipe installed for the washer drain?

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Did the tub or shower back up?
The washer vent is in the wall behind the washer- not in the basement, so you wouldn't be able to see if it's there unless you opened up the wall.

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This was a regular new construction home, completed late last year. We had no issues, all plumbing fixtures water lines are brand new and yesterday was the only sign of a problem. I have a warranty on this house for the next 10.5 months, but obviously if the issue were due to our own fault, nothing would be covered.

If it were a clog, how could it just go away on it's own?
It happens- enough water head pressure or volume can break up a soft blockage

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I would think that without vents thu plumbing would not work at all?
Not the case. A lot of old homes do not have vents on sinks

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Then perhaps you had a partial clog from a previous toilet flush?
That's what I'm thinking....

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You mentioned that one of the pipes is a toilet. Can you upload a picture of it's piping from the main building drain line to the toilet flange where it meets the floor?

I'm going to assume that the pipe at the end is a drain is for another fixture- I can't see it being a vent. My inspectors would have failed it.
Can you do the picture? Curious how the toilet is plumbed
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Because it dislodged.... the reason that plunging a sink/toilet often works

If it's a design flaw, why does it not repeat itself under the same conditions?
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can you remember what other fixtures may have been in use just before this happened....sinks, shower , commode,, ect... Iam in agreement don't think it was air lock.....but it could have been a temporary clog that was flushed out by the force of washer...????ben sr
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Is this a plumbing code/rule violation (assuming vent pipe in the far right?)

The vent for each fixture should go up before the water goes down to another floor level.

Have you tried turning on all fixtures in the house to see if there is any water flowing down the pipe you assume is a vent instead of speculating?
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You mentioned that one of the pipes is a toilet. Can you upload a picture of it's piping from the main building drain line to the toilet flange where it meets the floor?

I'm going to assume that the pipe at the end is a drain is for another fixture- I can't see it being a vent. My inspectors would have failed it.
I'll try. Picture A shows main drain, going up and to the left around the building
and a pipe going to the toilet on the first floor

Why would your inspectors have failed a vent at the outside? They would not like it or would it be a code violation?
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The vent for each fixture should go up before the water goes down to another floor level.

Have you tried turning on all fixtures in the house to see if there is any water flowing down the pipe you assume is a vent instead of speculating?
Just turned on every faucet in the house and flushed the toilets. water does not run in that last pipe (the farthest on the right)
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Just turned on every faucet in the house and flushed the toilets. water does not run in that last pipe (the farthest on the right)
Probably a vent line. If you go outside and look at that corner, is there any vent lines that exit out of it around that point?
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can you remember what other fixtures may have been in use just before this happened....sinks, shower , commode,, ect... Iam in agreement don't think it was air lock.....but it could have been a temporary clog that was flushed out by the force of washer...????ben sr
There were no other fixtures running. Only the washing machine. It was early in the AM with kids in bed still. The crazy thing is that as soon as the washing machine was stopped. Water from the toilet bowl started receding and went back to normal. It's as if a clog was programmable.

It baffles my mind on how this could be a clog of such a massive proportions, rerouting most or all of the washing machine's discharge down the 1st floor bathroom and then all gone, without a trace. Also, no issues whatsoever noted previously (i.e. no slow flushing toilets, no slow drains, etc..). Brand new house.

Its like a clog just materialized out of nowhere and disappeared without a trace.

I' think I'll want to speak with our code enforcement guys. I live in the unincorporated area (DuPage County, Chicagoland, IL) but they do have plumbing code enforcement here.
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Construction sub's have been known to flush or dispose of drywall mud, grout, mortar down the drains during the construction.

If you are not getting any clogs after running cold water at full force, or running hoses down the vent pipes, I would write it off, as a one time issue, and it is gone now.

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