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Old 04-12-2013, 09:51 PM   #16
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grout on the tile floor is soaked with urine ?
Nice catch. Could be that the grout was never properly sealed and has absorbed all of the urine from "overspray".


I'd check the wax ring first. Cheaper and easier.

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Just a newbie myself but I’ve replaced several rings, including my own recently. This is definitely a DIY job – if you want to. I don’t think it was mentioned but I think it is recommended NOT to do any kind of caulking or sealing where the toilet bowl meets the floor.

I think some people like to do that because they feel they don’t want water going under the bowl when they wash their bathroom floor. But any kind of seal can mask a leak under the bowl. That’s how I knew I had a leak, water was coming out from under the bowl onto the floor tile
Not true. You really should caulk it, but leave a 2" space on the back side incase of a leak in the seal.
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Not true. You really should caulk it, but leave a 2" space on the back side incase of a leak in the seal.
Not true either. You should caulk the whole thing (code). If it really leaks, it will blow the caulking out anyway.
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Not true either. You should caulk the whole thing (code). If it really leaks, it will blow the caulking out anyway.
Not code here. And only if the caulk is the path of least resistances.
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I am cleaning under the rim and all parts I can reach...
Use a spray cleaner for the other spots. And you can rinse with water in a spray bottle.
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Tried the bleach idea -- helped some, but its not the answer, I definitely missed cleaning thoroughly underneath where the tank and bowl meet. The tank moves a lot - sways is better word for its movement, which it seems, based on a reply, could be problematic. I'm looking forward to pulling the bowl and checking the wax ring, however - I'm beginning to believe trashing the entire unit -- tank and all is in order. My small plumbing DIY project may be morphing into removing and installing a low flow toilet with all new parts. I do believe aesthetically, no grout around the toilet is a much nicer look. Will update as I progress.

Is it possible that a bathroom with only a vent and no window would have more long-term odor problems, or no, if properly vented?
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You could use as powerful an exhaust fan as you want, so you actually have more control over the ventilation with a vent...assuming you do have an exhaust fan for the vent.
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Tried the bleach idea -- helped some, but its not the answer, I definitely missed cleaning thoroughly underneath where the tank and bowl meet. The tank moves a lot - sways is better word for its movement, which it seems, based on a reply, could be problematic. I'm looking forward to pulling the bowl and checking the wax ring, however - I'm beginning to believe trashing the entire unit -- tank and all is in order. My small plumbing DIY project may be morphing into removing and installing a low flow toilet with all new parts. I do believe aesthetically, no grout around the toilet is a much nicer look. Will update as I progress.

Is it possible that a bathroom with only a vent and no window would have more long-term odor problems, or no, if properly vented?
I just removed my toilet due to being unable to tighten the bolts to stop the toilet from moving and the flange that holds the toilet in place is broken! Hope you have better luck.

You are using the term urine smell, odors are subjective. If you have a bad seal at the toilet you may be getting sewer gas smell.

First fix the mechanical problems, that may be where the odor is coming from.
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cut a piece of carpet the neighbors throw out see if that seals the floor and the smell...then chuck the carpet and or cut a tinkle pad for the troops...wifey is going to love carpet in the bathroom...definitly warms it up on those cool mornings if anything..i do hvac service and had a vendor store(candy, papers and stuff) in the lobby of a hospital...the complaint was a random smellevery now and then..checked all the ducts the rooftop nothing.knelt down and caught a wiff of the rug...when the temp changed in the room especially heating it to 72F it stunk... they shampoo the rug and spritz it on a monthly deal...has to be something pourous that absorbs and gets triggered on temp hot shower whatever...a seal maybe but the tank water flushes and dilutes the bowl constantly it would also leak into the basement or ceilings we'll get it...bath crashers is going get in there...

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For those eavesdropping but unfortunately too late for the OP. Get one of those toilet carpet sets (floor, lid, tank covers). The part that goes around the toilet on the floor is great for keeping overspray from soaking into th floor.

If the bottom part (the bowl) rocks or if you pull on it, you will break the wax seal and will have pull it (completely off after undoing the bolts) and replace the wax seal. If you do this, be sure to test and correct any rocking without the wax seal before doing the final reassembly with the new wax seal. Note: The bottom of the toilet must not actually touch the flange on the floor.
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Thanks jjrbus! I've changed enough diapers to know an intense urine smell and I think you are right. Its an intense smell, yes urine, but there's something else Im smelling that I couldn't really describe. Sewer Gas smell must be there also. Wax ring would be the main culprit -- hopefully.
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I feel that I understand what you are going through. When both of my boys were home there was a constant urine-like smell in their bath area regardless of cleaning. After they seemingly grew up (?) and left home I cleaned that bath really good, all cracks, crevices, just everything. The smell continued for a few weeks though. I finally pulled the toilet out for ring inspection and possibly found the source of my problem. It appears that due to mis-aiming the urine had run down the front of the toilet, weeped under the base and had gotten under the linoleum flooring. I pulled up the linoleum, treated the stains with a Clorox solution, and allowed this to dry for weeks. The smell disappeared. New flooring (which was due anyway), new toilet seal/ring and all has been well. Well, for about ten (10) years--now my oldest son has two boys, ages 6 & 8, who stay with me as often. Less rules at Grandpa's. Re-training all over again !!! The only difference this time is that these BOYZ (as I call t hem) had rather go pee off of the back deck than use the toilet.
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hi Please help Ė
Just a newbie myself but Iíve replaced several rings, including my own recently. This is definitely a DIY job Ė if you want to. I donít think it was mentioned but I think it is recommended NOT to do any kind of caulking or sealing where the toilet bowl meets the floor.
I think some people like to do that because they feel they donít want water going under the bowl when they wash their bathroom floor. But any kind of seal can mask a leak under the bowl. Thatís how I knew I had a leak, water was coming out from under the bowl onto the floor tile.
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Not true. You really should caulk it, but leave a 2" space on the back side incase of a leak in the seal.

I didn't know that. Learn something new all the time. Did a little checking and it seems like more plumbers than not caulk, but also leave a space on the back side as you say.

But I guess since it's code that kind of ends the debate.
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I feel that I understand what you are going through. When both of my boys were home there was a constant urine-like smell in their bath area regardless of cleaning. After they seemingly grew up (?) and left home I cleaned that bath really good, all cracks, crevices, just everything. The smell continued for a few weeks though. I finally pulled the toilet out for ring inspection and possibly found the source of my problem. It appears that due to mis-aiming the urine had run down the front of the toilet, weeped under the base and had gotten under the linoleum flooring. I pulled up the linoleum, treated the stains with a Clorox solution, and allowed this to dry for weeks. The smell disappeared. New flooring (which was due anyway), new toilet seal/ring and all has been well. Well, for about ten (10) years--now my oldest son has two boys, ages 6 & 8, who stay with me as often. Less rules at Grandpa's. Re-training all over again !!! The only difference this time is that these BOYZ (as I call t hem) had rather go pee off of the back deck than use the toilet.
From what I have read, bleach may not be the answer! Being in that situation again I will use enzymes. JIm
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Correct, bleach is not all that ideal for it. That and should someone accidentally combine it with another cleaner there's a the risk of forming chlorine gas. It's really only good for laundry use on white cotton, and not really much else. It's just not a good cleaning agent for modern materials.

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