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Old 09-25-2011, 03:57 PM   #1
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I hope this format works.

My garbage disposal would not empty water, obviously a drain clog.
So, I began by taking the pipes out, and checking each of them. Puppies and PVC pipes do not mix, and while I was cleaning one the others got scattered.
I tried to put the system back together, but I am not sure the pipes are in correct order, or why I have a piece left over.

My sink is a single faucet system with a garbage disposal.
The drain off the disposal is on the right side of the unit and comes straight down, and the drain from the wall in the far left corner.

The pipes are:
(1) One piece of 4" long pipe with a nut at one end. I believe it is an extension pipe that fits over the disposal drain pipe.
(2) Trap (?)
(3) piece of 10" elbow pipe
(4) Two plastic washers
(5) One adapter(?) or step down pipe maybe 1" length
(6) Six nuts

I have one nut that I cannot determine where it goes.
Same for the adapter or step down. It seems to fit inside a pipe opening.

Went by Home Depot, fellow there put it together -Still problematic

Cannot mate pipe to drainpipe in wall
Pieces keep coming apart
not sure where adapter or step down goes.

My set up is in sequence -
#1 Fits over disposal drain pipe from sink mating with trap (#2)
#2 (with a plastic washer) mates with #3 and in #3 where it mates to wall drain.
#6 one of each at where 4" pipe fits over disposal drain pipe
one where 1 & 2, then 2 & 3 and where #3 mates to wall drain.

I bounced around plumbing help sites, but do not find a setup like I have, and no way to upload one as an attachment.

Anyone help this plumbing challenged old man?

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Old 09-25-2011, 04:04 PM   #2
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You don't know how to post a picture,do you?


What is a 10" elbow?

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Old 09-25-2011, 05:21 PM   #3
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No,I do not know how to add a picture, and I do not have a picture of the pipes or a way to do one.
The elbow pipe is the drain pipe tube (?) and is 10" in length
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:23 PM   #4
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Was your disposal unit a retrofit?

Sometimes an installer may install in such manner that doesn't disturb some of the existing plumbing.
Because you have disassembled everything, its conceivable that you have found a better way of doing the job.
If you have it all together and no water leaks, but it is carried away to the soil pipe, you should have no problem.
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:48 PM   #5
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He said some parts slipped apart---

This is how I do it---put the P-trap onto the disposer and aim the tail arm towards the drain hole

If the arm is to high --add an extension so drain and arm are the same height.

next figure out what it will take to fill in the gap---remember the disposer can be loosened up so it will turn--allowing you to change the position of the exit pipe.

(this is a job that is easier done than said)---Mike---
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Old 09-25-2011, 07:32 PM   #6
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A little dark to get under the sink and see what is going on, however as I have to wait until tomorrow any thoughts where the adapter or step down and extra nut fit in the scheme of things.
The drain on the disposal is too short, so the 4" pipe is the extension and that extension couples to the trap.
The disposal is the one that was installed when I bought the house 11 years ago. The sink and plumbing are about 6 months old, part of an ongoing house remodeling and repair from when the house flooded last year.
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You are using terms that do not apply to a sink's drain assembly. This makes it hard to tell you how. A picture would help.
Perhaps the "step down" is a tailpiece extension. Then it should go in the vertical.
The only adapter is called a trap adapter. It is usually glued to the waste pipe at the wall.
The elbow will either fit to the trap or disposal outlet.
I suggest you google kitchen sink drains images to see some examples
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There should not be a 'step down' piece--all parts should be 1 1/2"

Might be a mistake was made when it was originally piped--

Is the drain fitting at the wall 1 1/2"?
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It should look something like this.
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It should look something like this.
Sounded like a double p-trap sink --got a picture like that?


Our area requires separate traps for each sink---dish washer not allowed to use the disposer.(codes vary on sink setups)
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Our area requires separate traps for each sink---dish washer not allowed to use the disposer.(codes vary on sink setups)
Since this is only sort - of off-topic : Have you ever had anyone give you the reasoning behind it?

Is it considered more up-town for each to have it's own trap? Not like us backwoods plumbers in oregon, use one p-trap for 2 bowls, a disposer and a diswasher.
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OK,
Where the drain pipe fits the disposal drain in your photo, I have a 4" extension pipe.
Coupled to that is the trap ,the same type as shown in the picture. The drain pipe fits to the trap and (I think) is supposed to couple to the pipe coming from behind the sink. I think that pipe out of the back is part of what they designed when this was all put together.
There is no T pipe (where your picture shows the drain pipe coupling to what I assume is another pipe)
I tried to copy some pictures I found, but I cannot get them to fir on a page

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Finally got it together, I think.
It looks as thought the converter or step down pipe fits in the wall drain where the drain pipe attaches.Without it, the pipes would not fit together. The extra nut goes to hold the step down pipe.
I also had to go back a retighten the joints; they leaked. But, now when the water starts draining, the drain pipe pops loose from the wall.
Boy, a 15 minute job has taken two days and is still not fixed.

A side note, I talked with one of the men who installed it, he said he would stop over and look at it real quick the next day. That was two days ago and he has not come by or called.


Thanks for all,
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You must be missing the nylon washer on the fitting that is coming apart.

Whenever a pipe slips into a fitting--a nut goes on first--then the washer--wide part towards the nut--

narrow edge to the fitting---
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Since this is only sort - of off-topic : Have you ever had anyone give you the reasoning behind it?

Is it considered more up-town for each to have it's own trap? Not like us backwoods plumbers in oregon, use one p-trap for 2 bowls, a disposer and a diswasher.
The official reasoning---if one sink drain runs slow the other sink is less likely to flood---

Garbage disposer---food debris could be forced into the dish washer drain.

Real reason---This is Chicago--laws are written to keep union workers employed---

We still can't use Romex---or PEX or a lot of things that would save the home owner money.

All conduit--and type -L copper---

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