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Old 02-15-2009, 08:22 AM   #31
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oh, and are you sewer or septic?

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Old 02-15-2009, 08:37 AM   #32
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when the water goes into the pipe, has to go somewhere, if the tank is full, or clogged, water fills up in the pipe, once the pipe if full, if water is still emptied into it, water is going to back up to easiest exit, usually lowest point in the house that has a drain. Even if the vent is working properly, if that sewer pipe is clogged, water can't go anywhere. It's like pouring water into a glass on the counter, water goes in, air comes out, glass gets full and will overflow out the top.
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Old 02-15-2009, 08:49 AM   #33
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My inlaws had a problem with their toilet flushing a few years ago so we called the man to pump the sewage and when he opened the cover he found when they installed the pipe it was to close to the wall. It worked great for years until someone flushed to big a wad of paper and it hit the wall and stayed up and in the end of the pipe. He took his shovel and just touched it and it fell and the pipe drained out. We cut a few more inches off the pipe and problem solved. This may not be your problem but I thought I would add my experience.
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look at my graphic, my cleanout is below all the toilet pipe, i used a throwaway plastic produce container as a 'window' and had my son flush. it went through fast enough but trickled a lot at the end. at first i thought this said clog in toilet or pipe ABOVE the cleanout. but i ran the snake and it's all clean.... very cornfusing. i would think there's at least a few gallons of space to go from what i CAN see, + 50 or so foot out back to the tank= more than enough space to hold a gallon or two flush water. color me still confused...

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Old 02-15-2009, 08:57 AM   #35
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I'm on sewer. My big mystery was even if it's occuring between the house (where I found nothing) and the street , how come toilet # 2 is seldom and issue and I've found nothing ever down the cleanout.

Here's my list of theories

1. 1 and 3 although on separate drops are both on 1 1/2" inch stacks exposed in attic and original 8 year old low flush Kohlers rated at 250gpm. perhaps the combo of small vent and low flush is a potential problem enhanced by even partial stack freeze up

2. 1(mainfloor) and 3(upper bath) are also most often used by 3 kids = who knows what goes down there and kids wad up the toilet paper

3. Main stack froze over then thawed in sunlight eliminating intial
problem.

What I don't get.

#1 is closest to main stack and cleanout in basement and only a 5' horizontal run correctly piped. I have pulled this one at least 6 times through the years for various projects and blockage and NEVER found and issue.

#3 is the furthest away but drainage in theory should be aided? by longest constant use of shower directly beside it.

I have come to the conclusion that it's gremlins
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Old 02-15-2009, 08:58 AM   #36
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i'm wondering if i shouldn't just grab a shovel and try to find the access in the tank out back....?

save me the $40.00 if i did, but it's cold and the ground is still likely frozen too.....

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Here they charge extra if they dig up the cover, you said plastic tank, I've only seen concrete, unless its a holding tank for pump-grinder, then it was fibreglass. And if you do decide to dig it up, that is good, but if you take off the cover, you probably won't be able to see the pipe coming in, it will be covered , not likely you can move that stuff around enough to see anything, pump guy will suck it off. You might get lucky and with enough water usage that wash cloth, if there, will move along to the tank.
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As to room in the pipe, it has the 50' run, it might be filling up with water, and if its completely clogged, it will back up, with a partial clog, some water is getting past, given time to next flush, the water could be seeping past the clog, lots of time, the clogging issue is worse at the end of the day because of water usage, it has for the most part, all night to seep past the clog.
As for the frozen ground, put the coffee on, I'll bring the pick-axe and we'll get'er done.
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another theory the wife and i discussed is the possibility of high ground water plugging the tube at the tank. we had tons of snow, then that 3 day spring weather hit melting all that snow, now it's cold again. possible? should i wait a few days before possibly wasting $$$ on a snake?

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as the tank takes on water, it runs out into your leaching fields, at most with melting and heavy rains, your field would get saturated. Everything is tied in together, google septic and leach field, its all hidden from view underground but there is alot going on under there.
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With all this time online discussing it you could have installed a new system. LOL... but you say that most water rushes out and then trickles for a while. It is possible that there is not enough slope or a dip in the pipe that is causing this. Maybe try to find someone with a camera scope and look at what you are dealing with for sure. Ground water will not effect the septic, since the inlet line is 6" above the leach field drain.
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Ground water will not effect the septic, since the inlet line is 6" above the leach field drain.
it would if it rose another 8", wouldn't it??? i'm going to wait a day or so and just see what happens.

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no your entire leach field would have to be clogged for the water to overflow and or fill your tank. The water drains into the leach field before it will reach the height of the sewer pipe inlet.
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If you are going to dig it up to look into the tank,now would be the time to get it pumped out. When the tank is pumped leave the lid off and flush it to see how it works. Should be able to tell if it is a drain,vent or toilet problem.

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Old 02-16-2009, 07:48 AM   #45
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well, i'm thinking the high water was the problem all along?
got up this A.M. and all's normal. gravity flush-normal, regular flush-normal.
*sigh* i hope this never happens again.....

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