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Old 02-14-2009, 10:35 AM   #16
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I guess I would yank the toilet up again and enter a snake from there. You must be going through a ton of wax rings unless you get lucky with the reinstall. I'd rent not buy a snake. It'll get by the 90's, you just need to work it some and be really carefull, you've probably read the threads of the harm they can do to you. Another option, use , I forget the name, one of those rubber inserts hooked to a garden hose to high pressure the clog out. In your case you would need to block off the drain from the sink and if you are near a vent pipe you won't get the good pressure. I've used plain garden hoses to chase clogs, inside of 90's are smooth, keep working the hose, wash cloth might be hard to move along though. ( a wash cloth stuck is still better then calling someone to pump the tank out.)

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Old 02-14-2009, 10:46 AM   #17
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a wash cloth stuck is still better then calling someone to pump the tank out.
man, you got THAT right! lol i have an odd cleanout i've not seen before. it's not square for a wrench, it's different. like an old milk pail, bar through the middle and tabs on the outside. i'm wondering if it'll pop off easily or do i need a special tool? i'm hoping it's there at that angle the rag is stuck, and i can reach in and get it? if not, a snake will need to go down the next run, i guess?

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Old 02-14-2009, 10:57 AM   #18
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ok, i googled far enough to finally find one like mine. they said "This type of clean-out plug is different from most. Most use a threaded plug or cap, but this plug only needs to be turned a few degrees and then pulled out." so i guess i'll open my trap door again and see if i can gently tap it loose, though the rest of the guy's info\thread had him ducking flying streams of poop, so i think i'll take ALL necessary precautions! lol
open VERY slowly and have a bucket handy for drips.....

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Old 02-14-2009, 01:05 PM   #19
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got the cleanout off easy enough and ran my snake (that i finally found) down these two paths. (blue) it's only 8 foot spring type, but it went from toilet to cleanout, and 7 or so foot from cleanout into main septic line. felt nothing but clean.... crap.... i watched the water flow from the roof hose down the vent by looking down toilet drain, it ran clean and fast. so this is telling me, i guess, that the rag may be further towards the tank? a friend has a snake he thinks may be longer, but i'm thinking i need to go all the way to the tank 50 or 60 feet away?

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Old 02-14-2009, 01:10 PM   #20
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Well, I'm glad you are making progress, I've only worked with a couple different snakes, were the 50 footers, you might need more. I will say at work one time, somehow, someone threw either a t-shirt or boxers down the toilet. We kept flushing the toilets, (5) until I could see it go by, looking down the manhole. One other option you may have, if your washing machine is draining into the same field, run a load of clothes, that will give you alot of water volume when discharging, should carry the washcloth into the tank. And be ready with the wet-vac if it decides to backup. good luck
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looks like i'll have to go rent/buy a 50 footer (or longer) to go any further, his was only a few feet longer than i had.
my tank is the plastic type, i'm sure, cause i bounced on it driving a wooden stake once. dunno what type cover it may have, never dug it up.
washer drains elsewhere, not into septic. thanks, i'll keep you all posted.........

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I will borrow you mine,,,you gonna come pick it up?? The washcloth is more than likely caught in the inlet baffle at tank entrance,,,that gunks up with soap and crap and gets pretty small sometimes. Do you have the new style tank with two huge manholes you can remove and SEE whats what in there?? If so you can access the baffle from there maybe. might be a good time to 'stick' the tank and see IF it needs pumped,,,and no its not when its full of water,,,its when the solids are most of the way up on a stick wrapped with white cloth,,,it should be long enough to tap the bottom of the tank.
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never dug it up, so i dunno what's there. good to know where it might be stuck though. however.... if the vent is open wide and i flush, shouldn't any pressure go that route, and still allow the toilet to flush normally? this is what's mystifying me.... i just don't understand, i guess....

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Hey DM I just spent hours trying to find blockage issues in my system and found nothing. I went from attci to cleanout and evrywhere in bewteen and back all day. My first and 3rd toilets were clogginging on separate lines, middle one was fine. All three are on separate vent stacks.But I did buy some enzyme cleaner which was safe for toilets and septics. I also bought a "cobra" sanke for $30 because I couldn't find my regular snake. This is a cool device for long flat runs as it is flat spring steel witha large reel and dispensing grip and has a ball head with mini spear for obstructions but in my case I had to navigate several turns and it was a pain after the first turn.
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so you're saying it's still not working right? or did you find the problem?

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i'm still hoping against hope there's some STUPID thing i'm overlooking. but it still looks like a trip to the city tomorrow to rent a 75 footer. but what if THAT doesn't fix it? like i said, i don't understand how if the vent is open, pressure can build and slow toilet action.

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Hey I run pipe for a living and I still can't figure it out. The only thing I came up with is that since toilet 1 and 3 are on smaller vents maybe they both froze up before the main stack, whereas # 2 was on the main stack. ) That or the main stack froze(it was very cold for about 3-4 days and lots of snow but the stack wasn't coverred)) and thawed in the sunlight before I got up ther the next afternoon.
I snaked in all directions., cut a cleanout into the attic stack, etc. No backup , no obstructions. Ran a garden hose in with water , used my Rigid See Snake , tried everything still inconclusive.
Along the way I discoverred after some research my original low flush Kohlers toilets were rated for 250-300 gram flushes, the new ones are 850. So putting 2 and 2 together theory # 2 is that perhaps the low rating plus the smallest vent stack being 1 1/2" on toilet 1 and 3 caused my problem together.

3 weeks later the main problem is gone although #1 and #3 have still been plugged and plunged clear at least once each since but not at the same time and agin they are on different vents and drain loacations. Still scratching my head. If I find nothing I 'm gioing to track these blockages on the calender versus temp and see what happens in the warm weather.

Anyway, the enzyme cleaner may help your tank I think what I bought was DP or similar, organic stuff won't hurt the tank or toilet.
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Old 02-15-2009, 08:21 AM   #30
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we use rid-x occasionally although after more reading online it seems it's not really necessary.
well dang, when you figure it out, let me know, ok? it might be the same thing i'm experiencing.

i still need an explanation as to how blockage can build pressure and slow flushing if the vent is open.

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