Toilet Time - with video

noone · 08-02-2011, 09:47 PM

Got a problem with my Eljer toilet in one of the bathrooms. I wasn't able to explain well in writing what is going on here, so I made a video that should thoroughly explain the issue. Thanks for any help you can offer on this absurd matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHYG5...el_video_title

Broughton · 08-02-2011, 11:43 PM

Is that a new flapper?

noone · 08-02-2011, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Broughton

Is that a new flapper?

Yes. New Korky universal. Also swapped this new one out with old one from other working Eljer toilet and same issue occurs.

Broughton · 08-02-2011, 11:59 PM

Well you just killed my solution. My plumber put one of those orange flappers in a toilet and it did the same thing, drove the homeowner nuts. When he replaced it though it fixed the problem.

Alan · 08-03-2011, 01:14 AM

What does the water level in the tank look like compared to the other toilets?

Not saying that it has anything to do with it for sure, but there are only a few different things to look for inside of a toilet tank.

What kind of water pressure do you have at the house?

Are the other toilets on a different floor of the house?

noone · 08-03-2011, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan

What does the water level in the tank look like compared to the other toilets?

Not saying that it has anything to do with it for sure, but there are only a few different things to look for inside of a toilet tank.

What kind of water pressure do you have at the house?

Are the other toilets on a different floor of the house?

Water level is set at the max fill line. There are 2 other identical Eljer toilets on this first floor. Water pressure seems to be the same. The tube pisses out water very strong as far as I can tell. The difference between those toilets and this one is that the other toilets gush water out of the 6 holes stronger and higher in the other toilets. I thought the weight of the water in the toilet is what caused that gushing action in the cylinder. In fact, one of the other working toilets has a super leaky fill valve that spews water all out of the valve and that toilet gushes out the water in those holes straight up. So I'm thinking the problem is somehow related to the flush valve and the way it's seated. I don't know how to remove it to look around though.

COLDIRON · 08-03-2011, 07:23 AM

Try unhooking the chain that lifts the flapper and flush it by hand, pick up the flapper then let it drop after the water empties.

noone · 08-03-2011, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by COLDIRON

Try unhooking the chain that lifts the flapper and flush it by hand, pick up the flapper then let it drop after the water empties.

Same thing happens with or without the chain. On a normal flush, about 2/3 of the water in the cylinder drains in to the toilet. The problem arises when you try to flush it again before the water in the cylinder fills completely back up, or if, when you flush, you hold the handle down too long. The stream of water gushing out of the holes in the front of the flapper angles over the drain keeping the flapper bubbling up like in the video. The stream of water in the two front holes needs to be more vertical, like in my other toilets. I noticed that in this problem toilet, that the flush valve seems to be off center a bit. I'd like to reseat the flush valve so that it is perfectly straight. I'd like to know how to remove the flush valve and then reinstall it straight, but I can't figure out how to remove it from this one-piece toilet. I have tried twisting it with all my might counterclockwise to no avail. I just want to get this silly thing fixed. Like my wife said, I shouldn't have to tell our guests that you have to "flush it just right". Or perhaps hang a sign by the toilet, "One flush only please. Don't hold the handle too long. Thanks, MGMT." It needs to work 100% of the time......

Alan · 08-03-2011, 10:08 AM

Are the toilets on the same floor? Is the problem toilet higher or lower than the ones that are functioning properly?

Have you tried throttling down the valve at the wall?

noone · 08-03-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan

Are the toilets on the same floor? Is the problem toilet higher or lower than the ones that are functioning properly?

Have you tried throttling down the valve at the wall?

3 Eljers on 1st floor, one is problem toilet discussed here. 1 Eljer on 2nd floor. All toilets flow fine out of the holes straight up except for this stupid toilet. Need to know how to remove flush valve and reseat it please.

Yes, I have tried throttling it at the wall, but that doesn't work either! Plus it makes a bad sound having the valve half way open, which I read that these valves are made to really be only open or closed.

The water that flows through the six holes gets pushed in there by the water surrounding the cylinder. In other words, when the water evacuates out of the inside of the cylinder, the water from around the cylinder rushes in through said holes.

COLDIRON · 08-03-2011, 10:29 AM

Just buy a rebuild kit for around 20$ and rebuild the entire inside.

noone · 08-03-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by COLDIRON

Just buy a rebuild kit for around 20$ and rebuild the entire inside.

How do I take off the flush valve?

noone · 08-03-2011, 02:21 PM

I'd love to know how to remove this flush valve. I'm thinking that I could maybe even remove the cylinder and see what happens.

Here is the parts diagram for my toilet-

http://www.plumbingpartsdepot.com/eljerberkley1pc.pdf

Alan · 08-03-2011, 10:38 PM

I've never had to take one apart, but doing a little searching online, and looking at the part, it kinda looks like it just sort of pushes in there.

Never seen one like that, only 2 pc eljers.

Other toilets normally have some sort of clamping mechanism in there.

Good luck!

Mikew651 · 08-15-2011, 08:56 PM

You have to pull the tank from the bowl and remove the gasket and threaded ring that mounts the flusher.
Maby the water cylinder is in the wrong orientation and affecting the way water enters the flush chamber?