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Old 07-17-2012, 09:01 AM   #1
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I am remodeling a bathroom. After removing the old toilet and retiling what I see is in the picture. The question is
1) What is the white plastic on top of the flange and how do I remove it
2) The flange look rusted but is structurally sound, should I replace it
3) After retiling the flange is ~.25 in below the tile level, do I need to raise the flange level with a flange spacer
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That looks like one of these : http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal

It should just pull right out.

If the flange looks structurally sound : secured well to the floor, and the slots or threads for the bolts are in good working condition and solid, then I wouldn't worry about changing it out.

Opinions on flange height vary quite extensively. I personally think an extra 1/4" is easy enough to make up with a second wax ring if you have to. Some don't like that, but I don't really see the difference.

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Looks like a left behind plastic horn that was on the old wax ring, just toss it in the trash.
As far as the flange, impossible to say from that picture. That's an old cast iron flange so there's going to be at least some surface rust, but if it's corrode to the point the area where the bolts go is getting thinner then now would be the time to fix it.

Just use a double thickness wax ring. There sold right next to the thinner ones.
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Folks, thanks for your advice. But the white piece is impossible to remove. It cannot be a part of the wax ring. When I try to pry it out the entire pipe tends to move as if it is glued to the pipe. Could it be an old style system. By the way the flange piece is not connected to the white piece. Any thoughts?
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Looking at that again something looks very strange. Is that PVC pipe I see run up into that old cast flange?

If so that's not going to work out. Let us know.
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Is the flange cast iron or is it painted steel- looks kind of blue.
If its steel, the PVC pipe part has pulled away from the flange ring. reconnecting it usually doesn't work. Might have to replace it
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The flange is not cast iron. It is painted brass or steel. It is not connected to the white PVC piece. The white PVC piece is glued to the main pipe. May be the original installation was faulty and luckily it did not leak all these years?
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Are you able to get under the floor in that area?
If so then I would cut off the PVC under the floor, Remove all that poop above the floor and add a new PVC flange and tail piece and connect them with a hubless connector or glued coupling.
Nothing I can see above that floor now is going to work out for you.
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that is part of the flange ..it looks like it got pushed out of the metal ring from movement below....
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that is part of the flange ..it looks like it got pushed out of the metal ring from movement below....
Either that, or they roughed in the pipe too high, and used the metal ring to push the whole thing down. Eventually something has to give.
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Folks, thanks for all your inputs. That piece was a part of the flange, the ring somehow got detached and pipe pushed upwards. On the advice of a local plumbing store, I cut the pipe flush to the floor and inserted a Flange insert, which has a slightly lower diameter to fit right into the 3 inch pipe. I am attaching the final new flange attachment picture. My only concern is whether this reduced diameter will cause any problems.
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Folks, thanks for all your inputs. That piece was a part of the flange, the ring somehow got detached and pipe pushed upwards. On the advice of a local plumbing store, I cut the pipe flush to the floor and inserted a Flange insert, which has a slightly lower diameter to fit right into the 3 inch pipe. I am attaching the final new flange attachment picture. My only concern is whether this reduced diameter will cause any problems.
that may well work but I don't like them.. they tend to cause clogs
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that may well work but I don't like them.. they tend to cause clogs
I had to replace a toilet (someone else said it was a bad toilet, and it wasn't, but that's another story)

When I pulled it, they had used one of those inserts, and the horn was hitting on the inside of it. Plenty of wax seal so I said OK, and I put 3/4" of shims underneath the damn thing and caulked it.

If you don't like it, talk to the moron who said you needed a new toilet.





Anyway, just fair warning here.
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Folks, thanks for all your inputs. That piece was a part of the flange, the ring somehow got detached and pipe pushed upwards. On the advice of a local plumbing store, I cut the pipe flush to the floor and inserted a Flange insert, which has a slightly lower diameter to fit right into the 3 inch pipe. I am attaching the final new flange attachment picture. My only concern is whether this reduced diameter will cause any problems.
with no disrespect...your not a plumber..and you are concerned about the size of opening....as i said it may well work.....but tend to cause clogs......
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the size is still larger than most traps in toilets. so if it fits thru the trap it will fit thru the hole in thu flange

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