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Piney 10-20-2007 08:53 AM

Toilet Flushing ?
 
Greetings--

Our "new" house has older toilets (10 yrs or so). Now thet we're here for a few weeks, we've noticed flushing problems. When its flushed, ( even empty) occasionally the water rises up then slowly goes down. This happens on the 2nd floor as well as the first. One could think that the house line or main line is plugged. We had the main line snaked-no difference. If the house line was plugged, the showers and all the other drains would see problems too , right ?

The "hole" in the bowl looks kinda small to me. And the water level in the bowl seems low. Mabye this is a cause of the flushing problem ? How would one raise the water level in the bowl ?

Do newer toilets have a stronger flush ?

Comments appreciated

Sammy 10-20-2007 09:39 AM

I would check the vent stack for those toilets... The pipe that comes out of the roof... If its clogged, you'll get the symptoms your having...

Alan 10-20-2007 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Piney (Post 69067)
Greetings--

Our "new" house has older toilets (10 yrs or so). Now thet we're here for a few weeks, we've noticed flushing problems. When its flushed, ( even empty) occasionally the water rises up then slowly goes down. This happens on the 2nd floor as well as the first. One could think that the house line or main line is plugged. We had the main line snaked-no difference. If the house line was plugged, the showers and all the other drains would see problems too , right ?

The "hole" in the bowl looks kinda small to me. And the water level in the bowl seems low. Mabye this is a cause of the flushing problem ? How would one raise the water level in the bowl ?

Do newer toilets have a stronger flush ?

Comments appreciated

Sammy suggested checking the vents, which may be a valid suggestion, but generally the lack of a vent (or clogged vent) will cause the water in the trap to self-syphon, which means the water would go down first, and then up (if it didn't completely syphon out), not vice versa.....

As for your other fixtures having problems too, it depends on where they are tied into the branch and where the clog is relative to that. If they only snaked the main line, the clog (if one exists) they may not have found it if its in the toilet branch. Some plumbers will actually pull the toilet off of the flange and snake the line that way.


What I think :

If your water level in the bowl is initially seeming low, and water is rising up first, and then going down, it sounds like there may not be enough water in your tank.

How a toilet works : the trap in your toilet will only hold a certain amount of water before it starts spilling into the drainage system. Your fill valve fills the tank and the bowl simultaneously and then shuts off when the water level in the tank reaches the set level on your fill valve.

What sounds like is happening is that your fill valve may be shutting off prematurely which means that your toilet bowl may not be filling up to it's full capacity. When you flush, the water from your tank is first filling the bowl/trap up to capacity, and then the remaining water in your tank which probably isn't very much is flushing out the waste in your toilet.

Pull off your tank lid and look at the water level. Usually there is some sort of line on the inside of the tank or on the overflow tube indicating a fill level to acheive 1.6 gallons per flush. You can ACTUALLY adjust the fill valve to fill your tank right to the top of the overflow (although we do NOT practice this) to get more water in your flush. Depending on the type of fill valve (i've only seen 2 in my 4 months as a plumber so i'm not sure if more exist) A fluidmaster valve will have the float actually attached to the fill valve with a tiny stainless metal rod and a spring steel clasp that will allow you to slide the float up and down the rod. Moving the float UP the rod will allow your toilet tank to fill more before shutting off. I'm not sure what the other type of valve is called, but it has a ball float on the end of a rod and a screw on the top of the valve where the rod attaches. Loosening the screw will allow your toilet tank to fill more before shutting off. If this doesn't work, you can carefully bend the rod that the ball is attached to being careful to stay as close to the ball as possible so that it won't interfere with your flapper.

The "hole in the bowl" or trap inlet on toilets I believe is a standard size if I recall the code correctly. What isn't standard is the opening from your tank to your bowl. They are making them as large as 4" now, and I've yet to see one in action, but i've heard it's not all that much better than a regular toilet.

If your tank level looks OK, and they didn't snake the branch from the toilet it's possible you MAY have a clog there. Hard to tell, really. If all else fails, call a plumber. You'll probably only be out 75 dollars.

:thumbsup:

Piney 10-20-2007 01:22 PM

Thanks for the info--

CHecking the water level is the first thing I did-- the tank is full up to 1/2" or so from the overflow, which is about 2" below the top of the tank itself-- that *should*be OK, eh ?

Upon a little furthur inspection, I noticed that water isnt flowing out of the small holes in the rim of the bowl. I figured that water coming out of there is what helps to fill up the bowl properly. Doesnt it come from the water nozzle that feds into the overflow pipe ?

I'll check the holes-- run a wire to see if deposits have cloged them up. THen I guess I'll have to pull the tank to inspect the water source for the holes to ck for deposits ect there.

If all else fails, its plumber time I guess. I'll have to get them to pull the toilets and snake from their downward/outward. IT seems odd that all three do it to some degree, but the showers/tubs and none of the sinks give me grief (yet...)

Alan 10-20-2007 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Piney (Post 69094)
Thanks for the info--

CHecking the water level is the first thing I did-- the tank is full up to 1/2" or so from the overflow, which is about 2" below the top of the tank itself-- that *should*be OK, eh ?

Upon a little furthur inspection, I noticed that water isnt flowing out of the small holes in the rim of the bowl. I figured that water coming out of there is what helps to fill up the bowl properly. Doesnt it come from the water nozzle that feds into the overflow pipe ?

I'll check the holes-- run a wire to see if deposits have cloged them up. THen I guess I'll have to pull the tank to inspect the water source for the holes to ck for deposits ect there.

If all else fails, its plumber time I guess. I'll have to get them to pull the toilets and snake from their downward/outward. IT seems odd that all three do it to some degree, but the showers/tubs and none of the sinks give me grief (yet...)

It may just be the toilets then, I didn't realize there were three doing the same thing. Some toilets flush better than others. What struck me as odd was the water level being low in the toilet at first. Maybe this is just the way they are designed. If you dump a bucket full of water directly into the bowl, will it fill up more? It probably won't, it should just flush the trap out.

Maybe just time to get some new toilets. :thumbsup:

Piney 10-20-2007 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan (Post 69098)
CUT

Maybe just time to get some new toilets. :thumbsup:

owwwww my back..... :laughing:


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