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Old 10-02-2012, 11:40 AM   #1
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Toilet Flange(s) / Was Rings - why nothing made 2-3" ?


This is like the 3rd toilet we've had to install/repair over the last couple of years. Every time, the floor to the "hole" to the sewer was nearly 2.5-3" ... We end up having to "stack" one or 2 of the 1" wax gaskets on top of the flange ring to make sure it can reach the lip on the toilet and actually seal.

Neither Ace H/W nor Home Depot carry anything but the 1-1.25" wax ring kits.

Anyone know if larger ones are available, and if so WHERE do we buy them?

Thanks in advance

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This is like the 3rd toilet we've had to install/repair over the last couple of years. Every time, the floor to the "hole" to the sewer was nearly 2.5-3" ... We end up having to "stack" one or 2 of the 1" wax gaskets on top of the flange ring to make sure it can reach the lip on the toilet and actually seal.

Neither Ace H/W nor Home Depot carry anything but the 1-1.25" wax ring kits.

Anyone know if larger ones are available, and if so WHERE do we buy them?

Thanks in advance
You are stacking 1 wax ring "on top" of another?
Why wouldn't you use spacers to raise the flange?

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Most box stores sell a toilet flange spacer or an extender. Most are 1/2" or 3/4".
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You are stacking 1 wax ring "on top" of another?
Why wouldn't you use spacers to raise the flange?
Correct ... How do "spacers" actually SEAL the gap ?? What are they made of? Do you happen to have link to what a "spacer" looks like ... I'm unclear of that concept.

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Correct ... How do "spacers" actually SEAL the gap ?? What are they made of? Do you happen to have link to what a "spacer" looks like ... I'm unclear of that concept.

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http://www.google.com/search?q=toile...iw=533&bih=245
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Correct ... How do "spacers" actually SEAL the gap ?? What are they made of? Do you happen to have link to what a "spacer" looks like ... I'm unclear of that concept.

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spacers are either solid or hallow by design.

set-rite is touted as the only product that is "code-approved" but when I inquired about other spacer rings to my plumbing inspector, he said they were perfectly acceptable.

some spacer rings like quick-fix plumbing products come with foam gaskets pre-attached. set-rite uses a stand alone gasket method.

when i had to fix my low toilet flange, i used 3 rings with varying widths to match to the new floor surface. each ring was sealed with a thin layer of wax ring (call me crazy).

3" height difference sounds a bit excessive though.
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Actually it's closer to a minimum of 2.5" ... can go a little higher to "squeeze" the was tighter ... Anyway, went down to ACE and found the extender kit .. Brought it home and for us to use it we'd have to jackhammer the cement to get them in place (they are wider than the space) ... We're just going to go with the 'stacked' wax rings again to bring it up to 2.5" min. sigh ... This toilet doesn't get much use anyway, but needs to be re-sealed .. Thanks
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PS - can an ADMIn change the title from "WAS" to "WAX" ??? typo
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Can you post a picture.
Any reason you can not cut the pipe off below the floor and just add a longer tail piece with new flange that sits on top of the new floor like it should be doing?
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Honestly we don't have tools (or skill set) to start cutting into the concrete (?) pipe that is below the floor .. The installer (Floor) clearly did not do this right - he should have extended the drain at the time .. but alas, didn't ... The TOP of the drain sits ABOUT 1+" below the level of the floor .. then the flange to the toilet of course goes higher than floor level. thanks for the suggestion though.
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It only takes a hammer and cold chisel to chip off to enlarge the opening. Yes, it will take longer than using a small demo hammer, but you also minimize peripheral damage using the cold chisel/hammer method.

Regarding the double wax ring setup, that 2.5" is probably too high even for extra tall wax rings (speaking from experience). Mine never sealed all the way so I started to smell sewer gas few months later.

I am not sure which extender kit you bought, but Oatey has plain old vinyl spacer rings that are no larger than the toilet flange (http://www.lowes.com/pd_253224-138-4...tey&facetInfo=).

You can also go with Quick Fix Plumbing's spacer ring kit (same footprint as the toilet flange).

I ended up using 1 Oatey spacer ring + QFP kit.

Google my user name with "how to fix a low toilet flange" if you want to read how I did it.

Good luck

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