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honeydew 11-20-2007 08:25 AM

Toilet choices?
I have another question, I am looking to purchase a new toilet. I am leaning towards the American Standard Cadet 3, seen good reviews on them. My question is, do the Right Height Toilets only come in Elongated Style? I went to HD and could only see that the perfect height ones are only elongated style, and that won't clear my door way.

Thank You

LawnGuyLandSparky 11-20-2007 09:47 AM

After a couple of years, any toilet you purchase from a big box discounter will be devoid of it's glazing from the waterline on down, and then the staining will start.

There is a reason products are sold at discounters for 1/2 the price and it isn't due to volume purchasing.

Before replacing a toilet you need to know if it's flange is a 10" or 12" on center. Considering the elongared bowl won't clear the door, you have to choose either a different model or go to a bathroom fixture supply house. There your choices will be endless.

Rehabber 11-20-2007 10:09 AM

Check out a Western Pottery toilet at a plumbing supply house. they are inexpensive and flush very well with a decent bowl wash, and they are glazed twice. :thumbup:

Dragon 11-20-2007 12:50 PM

Toilet Reviews
Here is a link to a document that compares toilets. Please be aware that this links to a PDF file that is over 6MB. I have found no other source for better information on evaluating the performance of toilets.

Here is the link to the home page for the PDF link above:

You will be surprised at the results of these tests and what major Name Brands have models that are, no pun intended, crappy.

I myself purchased 2 Toto Drake toilets based on this review and other websites and have been using them for almost a year now. They have NEVER clogged.

Here are some other links I have found:

Hope this helps you in making your final selection.

Marlin 11-20-2007 04:22 PM

For some reason that forum loves Toto toilets. I don't dare mention it over there because I fear everyone on the forum jumping down my throat but I've installed a lot of toilets.
I never really liked Toto, they're expensive and I've seen them clog. I do like American Standard, Crane is a good bowl for the money if you're on the budget, Kohler is ok, but is defiantly the best looking and you do pay for the name.

majakdragon 11-20-2007 04:26 PM

I have installed the American Standard Cadet (not the 3) and have had no problems. These were bought by the customer at HD and Lowes. They have a nice large discharge hole to prevent clogging and a Fluidmaster 400A fill-valve. Can't be beat for $100. Replacing parts on some of these fancy "never clog" toilets is an expensive venture. My feeling is that if you need a toilet that will flush 16 golf balls, it's not a plumber you need, it's a doctor. LOL.

honeydew 11-21-2007 06:05 AM

Thanks so much for all these Great responses. One question, is Kohler a better brand then American Standard???

Dragon 11-21-2007 02:36 PM

Yes, I would agree that they really love their Toto toilets on those forums on the bottom of my email. When people really like something they like to let others know.

The better part of my post is the link to the PDF document that compares the performance of the toilets. If your favorite brand performs well and clears the material from the bowl that's great. But some of those toilets out there are real duds as you can see by the ratings. They can barey get material out of the bowl. The PDF really helps prevent getting one of those duds.

I like that in this evaluation they use materials to approximate, as closely as they can, the material expected to be flushed down the toilet. If a brand says it can flush 16 golf balls my reply would be that I have never eaten golf balls and don't expect to be flushing any down the toilet. How does your toilet handle a bowl full of toilet paper and excrement?

Anyways, I Hope the PDF helps people from getting stuck with a poor performing toilet. It helped me.

That one Guy 11-25-2007 11:20 PM


Originally Posted by honeydew (Post 75290)
Thanks so much for all these Great responses. One question, is Kohler a better brand then American Standard???

It depends on what your buying. What they dont tell you about 1.6 gpf toilets or anything that can take 30 golf balls and a horse is that this is not enough water to move waste properly through an average length sewer line.

sasha689 05-02-2008 12:57 PM

I have bought several Toto toilets. No clogs in four years! I definitely would recommend them!

Good luck!

majakdragon 05-02-2008 01:27 PM

There are many good toilets, and there are great toilets. Depends on what you want to pay for the name. Kohler and AS make good toilets. As you pay more for a unit, you upgrade to brass, rather then plastic parts. This is a lot of the cost.

jbhandyman 05-03-2008 05:12 PM

I have two Kohler Cimmmarons, very happy with flush strength.
Looks, cost, ease of install all good
Have heard great things about Toto's - but you pay big $$'s for them.
Don't buy $100 toilets in a box - not good - been there done that.

jbhandyman 05-03-2008 05:17 PM

Forgot to respond to the elongated issue - personally, I do not see the reason to pay more for elongated, round bowls are fine for residential.
Same Kohler will cost $30 TO $40 more for elongated vs. round.
Had bought a house with elongated toilets and actually tore them out to put in round bowls - family liked new ones better.

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