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crankbait09 06-20-2012 01:29 PM

Shower help needed
 
I have been here in the past with this same problem but I had to place this whole job on hold.........until now.

I am ready to get back in to this.

I would like to replace the shower head mount (in picture), the control knob guts, as well as the bath tub spigot.

With my plumbing expertise being less than zero, Is this a difficult task to do (without ripping out the existing tub/shower).

The shower/tub has not been used in nearly 3 years or so. I need to get this back up and running.

Can these items be swapped out with newer ones easily? What am I up against that would cause it to be a nightmare?

http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/y...bait09/Shower/

raylo32 06-20-2012 01:44 PM

I can't identify these parts but here is a better way to post an image. Just copy and paste the img source from Photobucket.

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/DSCF5967.jpg

crankbait09 06-20-2012 01:53 PM

OK, let me try this.......

This is a picture of the single knob MOEN water control which obviously does not show the control knob. I removed the assembly and this is what's left. That white thing in the center of the circle seems to be a plastic guard of some sort. Not sure what purpose it serves but until I get that out, I can't see behind it. Should it remain?

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...h_DSCF5967.jpg

This picture is of the MOEN water spigot. I'd like to remove it and replace with a new one. If it's possible without ruining the shower enclosure.

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...h_DSCF5968.jpg

This one is of the shower head mount. I'd like to remove this as well, replacing it with a new one. But I don't want to ruin the wall. I don;t think this one is that easy to do. I could be wrong though.

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...h_DSCF5969.jpg

raylo32 06-20-2012 02:01 PM

That's better but not quite the same. Just put your cursor on the pic in photobucket and you will get a dropdown box with 4 choices. Move the cursor to the one that starts with img and left click. It will say "copied". Then come back to your post here then right click and paste.

TheEplumber 06-20-2012 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crankbait09 (Post 947737)
OK, let me try this.......

This is a picture of the single knob MOEN water control which obviously does not show the control knob. I removed the assembly and this is what's left. That white thing in the center of the circle seems to be a plastic guard of some sort. Not sure what purpose it serves but until I get that out, I can't see behind it. Should it remain?

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...h_DSCF5967.jpg

This picture is of the MOEN water spigot. I'd like to remove it and replace with a new one. If it's possible without ruining the shower enclosure.

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...h_DSCF5968.jpg

This one is of the shower head mount. I'd like to remove this as well, replacing it with a new one. But I don't want to ruin the wall. I don;t think this one is that easy to do. I could be wrong though.

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...h_DSCF5969.jpg

The white plaster guard is ok left there. In fact, its probably holding the valve in place. To change the cartridge you need a puller that is available at a good hardware store.

Underneath the tub spout should be an allen head(recessed in the spout) Back out the allen and put on a new spout. Pretty easy

For the shower arm, insert plier handles into the shower arm to unscrew or screw. Use teflon tape on the threads.

crankbait09 06-20-2012 02:27 PM

allow me to explain the circle area (plastic)

A while back, I turned those little screws on the left and right of the center cartridge and after a lot of turns, it has never been the same. My OFF is upside down and the hot water does not exist. cold only works. I was hoping to start fresh to get it back to normal. I read that you should only need to turn those screws a quarter turn wither way. When I do that, it doesn't change anything. SO I assumed it's effed up beyond all repair. safe to assume?

How do I fix this?

TheEplumber 06-20-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crankbait09 (Post 947768)
allow me to explain the circle area (plastic)

A while back, I turned those little screws on the left and right of the center cartridge and after a lot of turns, it has never been the same. My OFF is upside down and the hot water does not exist. cold only works. I was hoping to start fresh to get it back to normal. I read that you should only need to turn those screws a quarter turn wither way. When I do that, it doesn't change anything. SO I assumed it's effed up beyond all repair. safe to assume?

How do I fix this?

Ah, I didn't see those stops. They are 1/4 turn stop valves. The slot indicates the water flow - slot in line with pipe means its on. No need to turn more then a 1/4 turn

crankbait09 06-20-2012 02:50 PM

right, which i learned AFTER the fact. Again, didn't know it at the time, so I decided to start turning the screws thinking it would effect my water pressure. Boy was I wrong.

So now I am trying to fix it so its back to normal

crankbait09 06-20-2012 07:41 PM

I broke down and called MOEN tech support and explained everything I did in the past and they told me which direction the screws on the left and right of the cartridge should be in. In this case, they should both be in the horizontal direction.......which they are now in. Still same results.

they said that if those screws are in the right position and the results are the same......then the cartridge needs replaced. UGH :censored:

So I have found the cartridge I need and it runs $50 at the local Lowes/Home Depot. Then to find out, there is a cartridge removal tool that I will need which is another $25. Double UGH :censored:

So until I can purchase all that, this project will be on hold. Hopefully for just a couple weeks.

NOW, if that doesn't fix the tub problem, then I will certainly be back here!!!!

jaydevries 06-20-2012 09:01 PM

if original owner call moen and they will send you new cartridge for free. and on that series i have always been able to use plastic catridge tool that come with new cartridge and pliers

crankbait09 06-20-2012 09:06 PM

after speaking with MOEN, they were asking me specific questions about the faucet and what not. Me not realizing it could possibly be under warranty I answered honestly and told them that the set up was there prior to my moving in the home.

After I got off the phone, I kinda thought to myself, damn, i could have stretched that truth a bit and got a free faucet :eek:

ah well, im a very honest person!! Why start lying now :thumbup:

I will have this cartridge soon enough

jaydevries 06-20-2012 09:09 PM

honesty is best policy


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