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Old 06-13-2013, 09:26 PM   #16
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I still have plumbers that refuse to use Pex and will only use copper.
I just tell them to stay home I'll do it myself in less then 1/2 the time.

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Joe, of course if there are plumbers that are artists, when it comes to working with Copper, I can say that the guy I use all the time is. Problem with PEX, is those who have never used it, or try to rush through it, cause enough problems, that the when the pros come in to correct the mistakes.

The worst I have seen so far, was that recent bath remodel, where the person putting in the PEX before the homeowner, must have been stoned or drunk, or both, when they did that mess.
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Especially if it is 7 in the morning on a Sunday, or 8 at night on a Saturday night, quicker to run to the big box, grab the Shark bites to fix the problem, then being without water for a day or so.
And MUCH cheaper!
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I am not union.


Also he can not fire someone for using a sharkbite just like he can't fire someone for arriving to a job site in a car vs a pickup truck
" If I own the non-union Company I will fire an employee for anything I want, of course my written reason will be within the law"
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" If I own the non-union Company I will fire an employee for anything I want, of course my written reason will be within the law"
Majority of the time, you will lose your side of the case, when the person appeals the dismissal with the unemployment hearing board.
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The way the future of plumbing is going, fittings such as Sharkbite are the way of the future.

It is very dangerous to take an open flame and work within a building. For this reason Soldering and sweating will see its time come to an end. We can already see the start of it now.

Again, so we understand.

The fitting is Approved for use by Plumbing Codes in the United States and Canada.
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Also he can not fire someone for using a sharkbite just like he can't fire someone for arriving to a job site in a car vs a pickup truck
In some places you can fire someone for any reason you want. Regardless of that, you can always find a reason.

He showed up late ONCE...fire his a$$.

He took a 31 minute lunch...gone.

"Sick? Where's your doctor's excuse? Oh ya don't...bye."


IMO...It should be an employer's right to fire for any reason or NO reason. Believe me, if you're doing your job and doing it well, they wont want to fire you. Puts the responsibility back on the employee to...(here's a wild idea)....DO THEIR JOB.

Sorry for the OT. Now back to arguing about sharkbites
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Try to fire him if he is black

Try to pay her less because she is a women

Try to fire a worker if he is Gay
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The way the future of plumbing is going, fittings such as Sharkbite are the way of the future.

It is very dangerous to take an open flame and work within a building. For this reason Soldering and sweating will see its time come to an end. We can already see the start of it now.

Again, so we understand.

The fitting is Approved for use by Plumbing Codes in the United States and Canada.
SOME places. I believe IL has'nt approved them yet. One of the pros can correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK, that's the case here.
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Try to fire him if he is black

Try to pay her less because she is a women

Try to fire a worker if he is Gay

Bringing up shi+ like that is just ignorant. I'm not stupid, I realize you can't discriminate on that basis alone...but I don't care what color you are, if you're screwing up....you're F-in fired. Period.
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SOME places. I believe IL has'nt approved them yet. One of the pros can correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK, that's the case here.
Actually they are approved for ise here in Illinois, or they would not be on the shelfs. Been in Chicago area hardware stores, same stock they have downstate (romex, shark bites, etc.) that the Chicago codes are steingent on, those goods are allowed to be sold, due to not everyone that shops in those stores is going to live in Cook or Lake county.

As long as the item is approved by the code and testing God's, you will find them on the shelfs.
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Bringing up shi+ like that is just ignorant. I'm not stupid, I realize you can't discriminate on that basis alone...but I don't care what color you are, if you're screwing up....you're F-in fired. Period.
Again, you have to prove the person is incompetant. Most states your hands are tied and you have to document everything, to show your side of the case why they were dismissed.

If the person is late for a reason, yes they better have a good reason why, and better call to let you know that yhey are running late and te reason why.

Not doing the job with your guidelines or the rules of the codes, better have proof documented showing.

Here in Illinois, non-union workplaces can let you ho for no reason, union it is hard, because you have so many lauers of protection, but if you know how to get around those layers, you an get rid of the problem, and they will not be back in another part of the company or division.
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You said any or no reason. I was simply illustrating things that don't meet your criteria.
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Again, you have to prove the person is incompetant. Most states your hands are tied and you have to document everything, to show your side of the case why they were dismissed.

If the person is late for a reason, yes they better have a good reason why, and better call to let you know that yhey are running late and te reason why.

Not doing the job with your guidelines or the rules of the codes, better have proof documented showing.
Here in Illinois, non-union workplaces can let you ho for no reason, union it is hard, because you have so many lauers of protection, but if you know how to get around those layers, you an get rid of the problem, and they will not be back in another part of the company or division.
I do (or would, theoretically...based on Javiles' statement)...I (he, in this case) don't allow them to be used. You don't HAVE to allow your employees to muttle through doing things to bare minumum code requirements...you can require a higher standard, and if they don't meet those higher standards, then....time to go.
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The way the future of plumbing is going, fittings such as Sharkbite are the way of the future.

It is very dangerous to take an open flame and work within a building. For this reason Soldering and sweating will see its time come to an end. We can already see the start of it now.

Again, so we understand.

The fitting is Approved for use by Plumbing Codes in the United States and Canada.
If a DIY'r or contractor wants to use push-fit fittings- I'm fine with that.
If I or one of my guys needs to use one- OK, just don't make a habit of it- if it happens too often then he's gone. My budget or my conscience won't handle it and in my state I will be within my rights.
I like to think customers hire me for my reputation, quality, craftsmanship, good looks and of course, pricing

As for being code approved- Just because a product has an approval stamp on it does not mean a product can be used in all locals. I don't care if HD has a whole isle of it. You, as a contractor should know that.

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