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Old 10-24-2013, 10:16 PM   #16
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Is it sound to think that I should invest in another round of snaking and really give it a thorough cleaning this time around with a good cutting head (100' ok again?) and will only be out the rental price if it does not work? I can move on to the next option of looking for a pro if no result and only have lost a day and perhaps 60 bucks.

Could I do much damage myself with the mutiple snake jobs? I am fairly competent at doing this having done it a time or two while being a property manger a long time ago. I just have never run into roots before and it usualy resolved itself on the first snaking in my experience in other houses.

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Unless you kill off the roots all youll be doing every time you cable jet whatever is prune the roots, they come back twice as aggressive a few months later. you need to get a camera in that line and find out were they came in to the line, i offer couple remedies dig up repair line remove roots inside line and surrounding area, or no digging cut away roots then hit it with Root x done properly the root x will keep roots away from that line for a couple years in fact that the warranty we offer 2 year root free at the repair sight. the more you play with it now the more its gonna cost you in the future.
That is where the Roebic Foaming Root Killer comes into play.

RootX is not going to do anything, compared to what Roebic does. The only thing is, you have to be quick on flushing the toilet, when you put the Roebic in there, otherwise you have foam flowing over the bowl.
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Is it sound to think that I should invest in another round of snaking and really give it a thorough cleaning this time around with a good cutting head (100' ok again?) and will only be out the rental price if it does not work? I can move on to the next option of looking for a pro if no result and only have lost a day and perhaps 60 bucks.

Could I do much damage myself with the mutiple snake jobs? I am fairly competent at doing this having done it a time or two while being a property manger a long time ago. I just have never run into roots before and it usualy resolved itself on the first snaking in my experience in other houses.
I would, but let a hired company do it, and have them deal with hauling the equipment downstairs and back up, if there is not a clean-out outside.

Last time I was quoted to have them dig down and put in a clean-out, was $1,000.00 for Time & Labor, or use the Roebic every 18 months. At least with the Roebic, you can either drill along the drain line and pour it down, or flush it down from the toilet and then 18 months later repeat the procedure, without having to have the company come back and cut out roots.
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You really should find out what kind of pipe you have before you proceed, because if it is orangeburg, you can easily cut right through the side of the pipe, and complete replacement is what you will have to do. Where do you live, how old is your house, and have you checked with your neighbors re problems they have had? Some guys on here say that there are good chemical root killers. That may be, but back when I did this the only good one was a backhoe.

I feel for you, its a real pain to have to deal with this after work. Best bet may be an honest small local plumber if you are making money at what you do. They usually know the neighborhood.
I am worried about this now that you metion it and others have too. How can I tell if the pipe is orangeburg?

Yep coming home to a crappy house is not so pleasant, but financially I don't want this to wreck me either and that might be the most of my concerns for the interim.

I'll give the local water company a call and see if they have some clue about the state of the pipes and what they are made of. I already called them yesterday about the main being possibly clogged. They sent somebody and he assured me everything was fine on their end
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Is it sound to think that I should invest in another round of snaking and really give it a thorough cleaning this time around with a good cutting head (100' ok again?) and will only be out the rental price if it does not work? I can move on to the next option of looking for a pro if no result and only have lost a day and perhaps 60 bucks.

Could I do much damage myself with the mutiple snake jobs? I am fairly competent at doing this having done it a time or two while being a property manger a long time ago. I just have never run into roots before and it usualy resolved itself on the first snaking in my experience in other houses.
It's your choice. Your machine should do most common blocks. I've seen "simple" cable jobs take several hours- some turn into excavations
You could just spend 150ish and stand back and watch.

But if it is roots, when its opened- drop a sewer camera down it and see why it's bad. Could be bad joints, hole in the pipe, separated joints, or collapsed orangeburg pipe.....
If all looks good- try the root x
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I am worried about this now that you metion it and others have too. How can I tell if the pipe is orangeburg?

Yep coming home to a crappy house is not so pleasant, but financially I don't want this to wreck me either and that might be the most of my concerns for the interim.

I'll give the local water company a call and see if they have some clue about the state of the pipes and what they are made of. I already called them yesterday about the main being possibly clogged. They sent somebody and he assured me everything was fine on their end
My town has a record of permits that tell us who, what and where that was installed for most homes dating back to the 1920's
Other towns are not so lucky, but contact the sewer dept.
Short of public records- you really can't tell unless you have ran a lot of cables as the pipe is buried. As mentioned earlier- local cleaning companies know your neighborhood
How old is your line? 1940,50 or 60' you may have it
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EPlumber, found out last year when I had the roots cut in mine, that due to the drought, and the fact that we have Maples in our backyard, which are more prone to seek out any water sources (ie waste drains), you either have to invest in a cutting & Roebic procedure about every 18 months, or get rid of the trees.
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My town has a record of permits that tell us who, what and where that was installed for most homes dating back to the 1920's
Other towns are not so lucky, but contact the sewer dept.
Short of public records- you really can't tell unless you have ran a lot of cables as the pipe is buried. As mentioned earlier- local cleaning companies know your neighborhood
How old is your line? 1940,50 or 60' you may have it
1950's east coast I'm not liking my odds here
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1950's east coast I'm not liking my odds here
You got that right- afraid you're a good candidate. Google orangeburg
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EPlumber, found out last year when I had the roots cut in mine, that due to the drought, and the fact that we have Maples in our backyard, which are more prone to seek out any water sources (ie waste drains), you either have to invest in a cutting & Roebic procedure about every 18 months, or get rid of the trees.
Or repair the pipe by lining or bursting or replacement......
If its water tight, roots won't enter
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It's your choice. Your machine should do most common blocks. I've seen "simple" cable jobs take several hours- some turn into excavations
You could just spend 150ish and stand back and watch.

But if it is roots, when its opened- drop a sewer camera down it and see why it's bad. Could be bad joints, hole in the pipe, separated joints, or collapsed orangeburg pipe.....
If all looks good- try the root x
I'll look to see if some local plumbers are competitive with pricing, but, otherwise, I am not concerned about getting dirty or putting in the work. I probably prefer to do it myself...I only want to know when it is inadvisable to do it that way. Rather work smarter.

I can see I made some progress from the second time I snaked it going from standing water and everything backing up the basement drain to lower standing water in the basement drain and not on the floor and it only overflowing when multiple flushes and maybe a shower are used. I don't know if you can call it much progress but it is discernible.

So, I guess I will snake it out a few more times tomorrow evening after work. Before I do that I'll check back here for any other advice and make some calls to the city and local water company to find out more about the pipes before I commit 100%.

One more thing to consider is I am not in this home for the long haul. I only plan to be here for a year or so, so it weighs heavily on my mind.
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You got that right- afraid you're a good candidate. Google orangeburg
Oh, I did. Got a kick out of it I won the reverse lottery of misfortune, but that's ok. Lemons, lemonade right? I'll try to find out for sure by calling my local county and inspection offices for records or diagrams if they got em.

Another thing, this house was a rental of mine for about 10 years before I moved in and never had this problem. I hate to think what that says about my toilet habits

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You got that right- afraid you're a good candidate. Google orangeburg
I have a co-worker with that in her home. There are a lot of homes out in the county where I live, not so much the city, since they have replaced Orangeburg with Clay or PVC. http://www.sewerhistory.org/articles...orangeburg.htm

Chalk Orangeburg up there with the whole idea of using Sono-tube type material for under slab homes, for heating. You wonder what Architects and Building material engineers were thinking at that time. Even better, is the fact that they used Orangeburg for Electrical Conduit.
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Oh crap it might be the orangeburg. I was thinking clay tile like i have. I don't think you can hydrojet the orangburg. Its time to call in a pro. If he bust out the cam it could get expensive.
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4 inch cast iron 22 feet is what the young lady at WSSC told me my line was made out of....What to make of it all? So I guess I can be a bit more confident I don't need more line.

I've held off from doing the snaking today for tomorrow to digest this new info and whatever you guys might advise me now. Aside from that I had a tooth pulled the other day and didn't realize it kinda made me feel wiped today.

Should I still rent the larger 100 footer from HD or the 50? you can see my options from the Home depot link I posted and here it is again http://www.homedepot.com/c/plumbing_rental_equipment


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