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Old 12-30-2013, 02:31 PM   #1
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A.S. Champion 4 "Flapper" Catching


About 16 months ago, I installed an American Standard Champion 4. Lately, the "flapper", which isn't the traditional hinged, flip up then back down, has been catching on the overflow tube causing it to not re-seat and continue to run. Here is the style that is in there: When flushed, the whole "flapper disc" floats up and sometimes floats over touching the overflow tube. The rubber causes it to stay there, leaving the valve open below... and the toilet continues to run, trying to fill a tank with a 4-inch open hole. Any thoughts on what can be done to rectify the problem? I bought a Keeney FlushAll valve to change to a more traditional style, but it looks like it is too small for the HUGE opening in my A.S. Champion 4. Thanks for any thoughts you can throw my way!

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I have a champion 4 in one bathroom. I would cut the hose and clip it at 9 o'clock problem solved. This is the way mine is. Also. Any parts are free if you call there number.

Bottom line your hose is two long compared to mine. It should be just long enough to clip it at 9 oclock.

One of the plumbers will hopefully chime in.


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I have a champion 4 in one bathroom. I would cut the hose and clip it at 9 o'clock problem solved. This is the way mine is. Also. Any parts are free if you call there number.

Bottom line your hose is two long compared to mine. It should be just long enough to clip it at 9 oclock.

One of the plumbers will hopefully chime in.
That picture is actually not from my toilet... my hose is clipped correctly as you suggested. But, thanks for the heads-up! I wouldn't have known that even if mine were too long.

I don't know if a replacement part would do any good... except maybe replacing the whole flush valve. I might have to try that though. How about adding some weight (fender washers) to the flapper?
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