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daixloxbmw 08-20-2009 04:38 PM

rubber hoses - code compliant?
 
hi all,

i am a new homeowner and have been quietly lurking in this forum for a while but this is my first post.

i recently had my old oil boiler/heater system replaced with a new gas system. from beginning to end, it took roughly 2 weeks to complete. during this time, the contractor i hired for this project temporarily hooked up an electric water heater with these blue rubber hoses so we would have hot water for the 2 weeks he worked in the basement.

this is the finished system.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6928/img0113sn.jpg

i assumed the blue rubber hoses were temporary and would eventually be replaced by pipes. however, as you can see in the above pic, the blue rubber hoses are still intact.

there are 2 blue rubber hoses and they are both attached at this Y-connector here and the second blue rubber hose is semi-hidden behind the first one.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8776/img0118s.jpg

the first blue rubber hose goes straight down and connects to a pipe for my basement kitchen faucet seen here.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5650/img0119s.jpg

the second blue rubber hose goes no where. it is simply capped off seen here.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6759/img0122s.jpg

i believe this was the hose that once connected to the temporary electric water heater. instead of removing the blue rubbber hose altogether, the contractor simply cut it here and capped it off. to me, it seems half-assed and it was just inconvenient for him to replace the hoses with pipe because it was already buried in by all the new equipment he built around it.

so when i asked the contractor about this, he said that he intended to use these blue rubber hoses from the beginning. he then assured me that it was perfectly normal and that it was code compliant and massachusetts-approved.

this seems very odd to me. i cant imagine these hoses being as durable or last as long as pipes. if these hoses were just as good as pipe, why bother welding several pieces of pipe to round a corner when you can simply bend a hose???

anyway, can anyone tell me if the use of these hoses are really normal and if they are really code compliant? can i expect these hoses to last as long as pipe? should i be worried???

i may be completely wrong about these hoses, if so, please let me know and ease my fears.

thanks in advance guys!
bobby

Plumber101 08-20-2009 06:14 PM

No inspections?

No permits?

daixloxbmw 08-20-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Plumber101 (Post 317101)
No inspections?

No permits?

actually, im glad you brought that up. i never got any documentation for inspections or permits. is that something the contractor should provide???

when i questioned him about the inspection, he told me the inspectors name and contact info is on the tag attached to the gas pipe. you can clearly see the big red tag at the top of the first pic. this tag only includes the inspectors initials and it seems to only include the work on the gas pipes, not the water pipes.

does this sound fishy that the contractor did not provide any documentation?

Plumber101 08-20-2009 06:55 PM

Not 100% sure of inspections in your area.

In mine I have to submit plans for the boiler, gas line inspect, and final inspect prior to operation.

If it is cold, then as long as I notify Code dept I can go ahead an fire the boiler and they will inspect within 1 or 2 days.

It looks like a pretty good install and the blue hose which I thinks is PEX tubing needs to be completely removed if not used and the lines capped.

Is it a violation, yes if the tubing does not meet standard for rated tubing for boiler under your code and no if it meets your code.

You can contact your local code enforcement and ask if a permit was needed and pulled for the job

daixloxbmw 08-20-2009 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Plumber101 (Post 317128)
Not 100% sure of inspections in your area.

In mine I have to submit plans for the boiler, gas line inspect, and final inspect prior to operation.

If it is cold, then as long as I notify Code dept I can go ahead an fire the boiler and they will inspect within 1 or 2 days.

It looks like a pretty good install and the blue hose which I thinks is PEX tubing needs to be completely removed if not used and the lines capped.

Is it a violation, yes if the tubing does not meet standard for rated tubing for boiler under your code and no if it meets your code.

You can contact your local code enforcement and ask if a permit was needed and pulled for the job

plumber101, thanks for taking the time to help me out!

one of the blue hoses is used to plumb cold water to the basement kitchen faucet, so this one is being used. i will follow up with local code enforcement to see if this hose meets the code. so lets assume this hose does meet the code, should i be worried about its durability and longevity compared to pipe? i still cant believe that this hose is as good as pipe.

the other blue hose is not being used and it leads to nothing, so its simply capped on the other end. so this hose shouldnt even be there since it serves no purpose (other than temporarily connecting the electric water heater). the contractor probably didnt bother to remove this hose because it was difficult to get access to the source. so even if the hose itself meets the code, does it violate anything else since its very existence serves no purpose?

again, much appreciated for all your help!!!
bobby

j-brew 01-06-2011 10:42 AM

RE:rubber hoses - code compliant?
 
I work for a industrial hose company. I am not familiar with the building codes in your area so I can't say if it is code or not. But I can tell you the shelf life of rubber...
The manufacturers put a 10 year shelf life on most all rubber. Whether it is hose or sheet.

The clamps used on the hoses is called an "Oticker" clamp (long o) and they are very low pressure, in-user clamps.

If it is that pex pipe it is plastic and there-for life long lasting.

If he had an inspector for the boiler and the tag is on the boiler with inspector info. Then your plumbing was never inspected.

Call the county seat and ask if you had a plumbing permit issued for your address.

The company I work for is called Rubber Products. We sell rubber hose for a wide array of applications,
(water,chemical,petroleum,pesticides/fertilizers,steam and lots more).

Also distributing rubber matting for people,animals and anti-vibration. Rubber mulch is available for schools and playgrounds.
The company has been in business since 1952 but I have been here since 1997. I should also mention that I am the newest employee
to the company.
If it is plastic or rubber we can help. Even if we do not sell it to you we will do our very best to get you in the right direction for the
parts you require.

Thanks for reading this and maybe I can help you too.
Jamie

Bondo 01-06-2011 03:10 PM

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General 01-06-2011 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bondo (Post 564174)
Ayuh,

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Bondo 01-07-2011 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by General (Post 564202)
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j-brew 01-07-2011 08:05 AM

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Ayuh,... Nothin' like Spammin' a 2 year old post.....
no not spam...

I saw it and thought I could help is all.

DangerMouse 01-07-2011 08:15 AM

Not spam? Good! Glad to hear that.
Since it's not, I'm sure you don't mind my removing the phone numbers and links that are not allowed here.
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